And we should all speak Esperanto because it’s far easier to learn and logical! Unfortunately my attempts to convince 8 billion people have so far proven fruitless. Maybe tomorrow I’ll succeed.
Calling killers of semites antisemites is not such a big change as speaking Esperanto, and it doesn’t require as much effort. In fact, in your case it took negative effort. You had to go out of your way to say my language is wrong. You shouldn’t do that, my language is better than the traditional language. You’re spending energy accomplishing nothing.
You see, we need a moderate, balanced take on the topic of genocide. It would be impolite and improper to take a firm stance on such things. Just think of how you might hurt the feelings of a genocide enthusiast! I don’t know how I would sleep at night.
Yawn. I guess everyone who doesn’t tow the party line and join the two minutes hate is censored here. My commentary was reasoned and appropriate to the comic.
What do you call it when you forcefully remove hundreds of thousands of natives without letting them return and then replace them with people from all over the world?
Only a racist would claim that a slogan which is at most anti-Israel is antisemitism because only a racist would would accept the “logic” chain of though required to equate Israel with Judaism: “all jews are the same hence they all support Israel hence Israel and Judaism are the same”.
It’s even worse considering that some Jews are against the actions of Israel and even against Israel itself, so this person is saying that those Jews are antisemites (quite literally: against Jews), so a Non-Jew deeming some Jews as “Bad Jews”, a good old practice of, amongst others, the Nazis.
One of the underlying messages of this cartoon is exactly that it’s the Zionist Karen that’s the real antisemite because claiming that somebody demonstrating against Genocide is against Jews, she’s implying that Genociding is a Jewish thing to do.
Thanks for the nuanced comment. Of course the signs don’t only say ‘stop killing of children in Gaza’, but often ‘from the river to the sea’, which of course is antisemitism.
Of course antisemitism ? That is what the repeated front-page news of mainstream media tried to make me believe a while ago, and then lots of politicians started to believe that as well, even banning that sentence in some countries. Here’s some information on it :
Many Palestinian activists have called it “a call for peace and equality” after decades
of Israeli military rule over Palestinians while for Jews it is seen as a call for the
“destruction” of Israel.
The full chant is “from the river to the sea [Palestine will be free]” which to me means that the state of Israel is unwelcome. Hell I’ve joined in on that chant, even though I’m not theoretically 100 against a permanent Israeli settlement, so long as it takes on a very very different form.
Even though the removal of the state of Isreal would mean the ethnic cleansing / genocide of millions of Jews?
Israel isn’t going anywhere. Many Arabic countries have already successfully completed the total eradication of all Jews within their populations, so they need somewhere to call home.
Oh by the way, the original Arabic translation of “To the river to the sea” ends with “Palestine will be Arab.” They just changed it in English.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
What’s the matter, antisemite? Don’t like freedom? And yes, I’m calling you an antisemite, because you’re speaking against Palestine, which is a semitic nation.
Those two things aren’t the same. The eradication of Israel is not the expulsion of all Jews, because Israel and Jews are not synonymous words. What you’re trying to tell me is that they’re synonymous, and that Jew means coloniser. I don’t believe you. That’s an anti-jewish stereotype I won’t entertain.
Also, how come Palestine doesn’t stretch from the river to the sea anymore? It used to, and it did so within living memory. It wouldn’t have anything to do with people being forced out of their homes at gunpoint, would it?
The eradication of Israel IS the genocide of every single Jewish person in the region. Both governing parts of Palestine have made it explicitly clear that they will kill every single Jewish person they can get their hands on if given the opportunity. It’s one of the many reasons why a lot of countries consider them to be terrorist organisations.
When did Palestine stretch from the river to the sea? That region used to be Israel thousands of years ago, then it was in the hands of various empires. At no point since the formation of Palestine as an independent state did it cover that territory.
Yeah so, ummmmmm, who subjected the Palestinians to such brutal oppression while secretly supporting right wing governments, such that what you describe is the case?
BTW most of the population of Gaza is children too young to vote, and of the people at voting age, most of them couldn’t vote in the last election, which was 18 years ago. Maybe the people of Gaza could rebel against Hamas and institute a democratic form of government if they weren’t so busy being slaughtered by Israel. For that matter, maybe Hamas’ rhetoric would be less persuasive if Israel weren’t slaughtering them while calling itself representative of all Jews. You can’t blame them for buying Israel’s own propaganda that says Jews are the enemy and that they’re all murderous colonisers. Maybe Israel should stop putting out propaganda that says that.
Wow, Hamas said it, huh? I didn’t know Hamas was every single person who ever said the slogan. See, I thought Hamas was the government of a region that isn’t even the whole of Palestine. And furthermore I thought a lot of people saying it weren’t even Palestine government officials at all. But Hamas is the only group that ever said it? Interesting. Guess I’m Hamas.
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By the way, all the genocidal persecution of Palestinians is antisemitic, because Palestinians are semites.
You are right about semites, but that’s not the common definition nor usage of antisemitism though. Language is a funny beast.
Well language should work that way. If using a word logically exposes the hypocrisy of a genocidal regime, it should be used logically.
And we should all speak Esperanto because it’s far easier to learn and logical! Unfortunately my attempts to convince 8 billion people have so far proven fruitless. Maybe tomorrow I’ll succeed.
Calling killers of semites antisemites is not such a big change as speaking Esperanto, and it doesn’t require as much effort. In fact, in your case it took negative effort. You had to go out of your way to say my language is wrong. You shouldn’t do that, my language is better than the traditional language. You’re spending energy accomplishing nothing.
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You see, we need a moderate, balanced take on the topic of genocide. It would be impolite and improper to take a firm stance on such things. Just think of how you might hurt the feelings of a genocide enthusiast! I don’t know how I would sleep at night.
Yawn. I guess everyone who doesn’t tow the party line and join the two minutes hate is censored here. My commentary was reasoned and appropriate to the comic.
God you’re so right, this is literally 1Q84 by Haruki Murakami. When will genocide supporters get their human rights?
7 hours later and I can still see it so I think you might be full of shit.
I see a little blue trashcan next to their comment… but I can still see the comment. I do not know what to make of that.
A glitch in the Fediverse I guess. Here’s my view.
I think so, there was a spammer a few weeks ago and after mods removed the spam it still showed up for a few days. Here’s what it looks like in sync:
This bug report is maybe relevant ? https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4630
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I think you mean anticolonialism.
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What do you call it when you forcefully remove hundreds of thousands of natives without letting them return and then replace them with people from all over the world?
And this is still happening in the west bank.
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Israel is European. That’s why it’s participating in Eurovision this year.
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Culturally, yes. Although it shouldn’t be.
Only a racist would claim that a slogan which is at most anti-Israel is antisemitism because only a racist would would accept the “logic” chain of though required to equate Israel with Judaism: “all jews are the same hence they all support Israel hence Israel and Judaism are the same”.
It’s even worse considering that some Jews are against the actions of Israel and even against Israel itself, so this person is saying that those Jews are antisemites (quite literally: against Jews), so a Non-Jew deeming some Jews as “Bad Jews”, a good old practice of, amongst others, the Nazis.
One of the underlying messages of this cartoon is exactly that it’s the Zionist Karen that’s the real antisemite because claiming that somebody demonstrating against Genocide is against Jews, she’s implying that Genociding is a Jewish thing to do.
Of course antisemitism ? That is what the repeated front-page news of mainstream media tried to make me believe a while ago, and then lots of politicians started to believe that as well, even banning that sentence in some countries. Here’s some information on it :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel Read it and then say again “from the river to the sea is antisemitic”.
Chiefly, it also has the added benefit of being a phrase that you can rhyme with the word “free”
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The full chant is “from the river to the sea [Palestine will be free]” which to me means that the state of Israel is unwelcome. Hell I’ve joined in on that chant, even though I’m not theoretically 100 against a permanent Israeli settlement, so long as it takes on a very very different form.
Even though the removal of the state of Isreal would mean the ethnic cleansing / genocide of millions of Jews?
Israel isn’t going anywhere. Many Arabic countries have already successfully completed the total eradication of all Jews within their populations, so they need somewhere to call home.
Oh by the way, the original Arabic translation of “To the river to the sea” ends with “Palestine will be Arab.” They just changed it in English.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
What’s the matter, antisemite? Don’t like freedom? And yes, I’m calling you an antisemite, because you’re speaking against Palestine, which is a semitic nation.
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Those two things aren’t the same. The eradication of Israel is not the expulsion of all Jews, because Israel and Jews are not synonymous words. What you’re trying to tell me is that they’re synonymous, and that Jew means coloniser. I don’t believe you. That’s an anti-jewish stereotype I won’t entertain.
Also, how come Palestine doesn’t stretch from the river to the sea anymore? It used to, and it did so within living memory. It wouldn’t have anything to do with people being forced out of their homes at gunpoint, would it?
The eradication of Israel IS the genocide of every single Jewish person in the region. Both governing parts of Palestine have made it explicitly clear that they will kill every single Jewish person they can get their hands on if given the opportunity. It’s one of the many reasons why a lot of countries consider them to be terrorist organisations.
When did Palestine stretch from the river to the sea? That region used to be Israel thousands of years ago, then it was in the hands of various empires. At no point since the formation of Palestine as an independent state did it cover that territory.
Yeah so, ummmmmm, who subjected the Palestinians to such brutal oppression while secretly supporting right wing governments, such that what you describe is the case?
BTW most of the population of Gaza is children too young to vote, and of the people at voting age, most of them couldn’t vote in the last election, which was 18 years ago. Maybe the people of Gaza could rebel against Hamas and institute a democratic form of government if they weren’t so busy being slaughtered by Israel. For that matter, maybe Hamas’ rhetoric would be less persuasive if Israel weren’t slaughtering them while calling itself representative of all Jews. You can’t blame them for buying Israel’s own propaganda that says Jews are the enemy and that they’re all murderous colonisers. Maybe Israel should stop putting out propaganda that says that.
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Wow, Hamas said it, huh? I didn’t know Hamas was every single person who ever said the slogan. See, I thought Hamas was the government of a region that isn’t even the whole of Palestine. And furthermore I thought a lot of people saying it weren’t even Palestine government officials at all. But Hamas is the only group that ever said it? Interesting. Guess I’m Hamas.