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Why is there a big ring of 50+ people per km/sq all around Canada?
It’s an old tradition that they don’t like discussing with outsiders.
It’s okay, I’m actually Canadian, please tell me.
(even if you suspect that I’m lying, it would be impolite to accuse me of that)
Sorry
As is tradition.
It’s for the greater good.
That’s the Night’s Watch.
Untapped infinite hog supply in the ocean
You ever heard of soudi arabias “the line”? Turns out they stole it from canada
I live inside that ring. Bought a 5 bedroom house for around $100k 3ish years ago. Been putting some work into it, hoping to sell in a couple years to move even deeper into the ring.
The biggest problem is employment. I got lucky and landed a great job that pays well. The second problem is cost of food as it highly depends on location. If I drive an hour south or east, I can reduce my food costs by around 30%. Not everyone has that ability because of the bigger problem. Gas price is the 3rd biggest problem, we’re on average 20-30C more per liter than outside the ring.
Then there’s the actual places. So many have very poorly run municipal governments that are full of the dumbest motherfuckers around who sink entire budgets into poorly thought out capital projects and raise taxes for decades after. Poor tax enforcement so that there are many properties with years in outstanding tax debt that doesn’t get collected, which leads to even larger budget shortfalls and more tax increases. Every now and then I’ll see a tax sale listed for $20k+ because the owner died and no remaining family could afford to claim the property because it the outstanding tax debt.
This is why I want to move into the bush where I have no neighbours, because at least the miniscule tax burden is less of a slap in the face when I look outside and see nothing coming back from it.
The worst part is that there really is a lot of habitable land but it would require employers to make a big push for remote jobs (wink wink federal and provincial governments)
Sure winter is colder up north but even 50km North of the major city centers the land is empty…
Or the government could just build trains out to there.
I saw a picture of a train station in China that had been built in the middle of nowhere. Stairs from the subway leading up onto a grassy field. The Americans all laughed at China for it. Then I saw a picture of that same train station five years later. It was in the middle of a metropolis. China has so much housing that there are entire cities sitting empty. Now, if a country with two billion people can manage that, Canada has no excuse.
I would look up “Tofu Dregs” before applauding China…
Oh boy, again with the stupid racist conspiracy theories
What conspiracy theory? The CCP has jailed people over it. It’s well known.
They called you a racist, so they win by default. /s
Oh my god are you a CIA agent or are you just stupid enough to blindly believe everything the CIA fking tells you?
Taiwan Number 1!
Oh yeah, weaponize that fking puppet state
Smh
I would think twice before repeating things I think I know about China from a picture I saw on the Internet
That’s an infill station. Meaning it’s in the middle of an existing city. So, basically, right past the empty fields there was Chongqing in every direction.
Yes, a very real city with very real residents, and definitely not a mostly-unfinished facade designed to keep the real estate bubble from popping. /sNo wait, it’s just an example of a station not in the middle of nowhere.
Wait 10 and see if it hasn’t collapsed by then.
Then I saw a picture of that same train station five years later. It was in the middle of a metropolis. China has so much housing that there are entire cities sitting empty.
When an entire city is sitting empty, there won’t be scandals over, say, stolen concrete and other embezzlement meaning that buildings are less reliable than they should be, maybe lacking elevators while having them on paper, or plumbing, or heating, or what not, or the city plan being impractical for the actual situation of many people living there (bottlenecks for transport and pedestrians alike or something like that).
Also the place where it’s been built may just not be feasible to live in.
People in the West are very gullible to fairy tales, like calling a despotic cleptocratic bureaucracy “meritocracy” and expecting it to lack the downsides of what they are used to without lacking the advantages.
But this
The Americans all laughed at China for it.
was, of course, wrong. Even if the state does nothing about it except selling land and permits for construction, a working train station in some place allowing to get to a big city reasonably fast would very soon mean lots of life around it.
It’s human, some things decay, other things take their place to decay later, and so on.
It’s not as much about names and political ideologies as it is about power of various groups and principles.
I mean, there’s lots of land for the cities to continue sprawling into as well, at least in the west, not to mention tear-downs and brownfields for infill. The bottleneck is actually just building stuff.
Sure, but we need to have people on our territory as well… And let’s be realistic, most people want space and it’s beneficial to people’s mental health to not be stuck in super dense living conditions… More small cities with all services available would be a great thing (I’m saying that as a person living in a small city of 7k with all services available).
Sure, but we need to have people on our territory as well…
Why? Most of the stuff it does that’s useful works as well, or better, in isolation. Trees and crops growing, and nature being spectacular, mainly.
And let’s be realistic, most people want space and it’s beneficial to people’s mental health to not be stuck in super dense living conditions
I mentioned sprawl, so that does still leave room for more low density.
That being said, I don’t know that it is universally better for mental health. If by “super dense” you mean Kowloon city, sure, but lots of people live in apartments or townhouses and are fine with it. Conversely, not everyone enjoys yardwork, and if you have a single home with a yard you need to do that, unless you’re okay with landscaping in the form of wasps and skunks living in a dense patch of possibly-invasive weeds.
More small cities with all services available would be a great thing (I’m saying that as a person living in a small city of 7k with all services available).
Eh. It works for some people, but maybe you need something - anything - somewhat niche. Career, hobby, social, health…
Gay? You’re mostly fucked. Need a specialist? Fucked. Into reenacting Roman battles? Fucked. Want a job besides welder at the local shop, trades or low-level retail? Fucked. Although I guess remote work would fix some of that. Want to buy something at night? Fucked.
You’re covered if all you want is groceries, fast food, booze and (shortages aside) a family doctor, but as someone from an even smaller place, it’s very limiting and young people tend to leave.
Also, that many small cities would be a bit of a transport problem. You basically couldn’t have freeways; it would be all local highways. Where would you put the big airports? Would they have their own town? Without those you get to take the scenic route 1000km+ to whatever or whoever you need to see in person. Or charter a private plane, I guess.
whos gonna do that, the muslims, blacks and indians? Aka the new canadians? rofl
🖕 Fuck off Nazi
Hes right. They’re not importing carpenters and electricians, they’re importing service staff and truckers
Actually, it’s mostly doctors and execs. Who then are forced into jobs in service and trucking.
Hey look, another Nazi!🖕
Hey look, another moron.
Continuing the trend of being a low-effort troll, I see.
Welp, dbzer0 banned him after just 5 days.
90% of the poutine is within 50 miles of the US border. What would they survive on up there?
It really so they can strike the US at any moment.
Are you saying that Canadian forces are massing near the border?
The Catholic ones yes
Keep your Canadian bacon to yourselves
I would be very concerned about the mounties naval capacity right now if I lived on the USA border.
Maple syrup?
Comes from southern Quebec
Polar bears, obviously.
Once global warming is finished, you just wait.
Canada’s going to be laughing at the rest of the world in their tropical paradise. All those beaches.
This is how we get right-wing patriots to care about global warming. ‘not only will Canada still be bigger than us, they’ll have better resorts’
I’m still waiting for global warming to turn Puget Sound into Southern California.
We just have wait for the last forests to burn down.
Cough any day now cough. Why do my eyes burn?
With the way climate change is going, we may soon have access to the virgin lands up north. RIP, but also yay, but also RIP…
https://cdn.britannica.com/98/180898-050-234CB039/Map-extent-Canadian-Shield-North-America-mass.jpg
This big ass rock is in the way. Makes digging deep a big issue
Yeah this is pretty well known. It’s been ascertained that, assuming we don’t go extinct or collapse back into the 1800s, Canada and Russia (especially Siberia) are poised to become demographic and economic monsters in the next couple of centuries.
Eh, neither muskeg or bedrock turn into arable land just because the winters become milder.
Super marshy soils and growing seasons that are insanely short combined with -45C winters.
Pfft, what housing crisis?
Look at all that fertile land, the Aussies are so silly
It’s literally greener than the rest of the map, stupid fucking upside downers
The scribbled out Tasmania is pretty funny.
I miss r/MapsWithoutTasmania! Thanks for appreciating the bit 😂
Edmonton (that moderate city on the western side, just past the rockies) gets to -50°C in the dead of winter for about two weeks.
Some years we get snow for 5-6 months (global warming is fixing that) .
You move more north if you want to. Im fucking good
Edmonton is the farthest north you can go in the western hemisphere while still having over 1 million people, and yet we still have people that complain about the winters ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Also we hit +40C/104F last month so that was fun.
I know. I had to buy a new AC. It was hell.
Wow, HOT 🔥🔥🔥
At least Calgary gets chinooks (as much as they suck for migraines) for a mild reprieve
And it’s not like it’s gonna get better.
You’ll get more forest fires and draughts in summer and then, maybe, only -30 in winter.
Moving up north in Canada is, unfortunately, not a solution.
With climate change, it’s not a solution… Yet
This is the land of cobra chickens.
We deeply respect the limits they impose on us.
Don’t forget about the mosquitoes in those bits of the country that are nearly the same size as the cobra chickens
And a hundred times hangrier, yeah…
It’ll be warm soon enough! Keep not eating the rich!
A lot of that is warmer or equal to Edmonton
We could settle a lot more but it deflates housing values and takes money/business away from the places that are settled
Wait, so are there regs or something preventing more housing development? I thought this was a joke about it being obviously too cold up there.
There are zoning issues but the infrastructure is done by the government or in this case not done
In Northern Ontario the infrastructure is struggling as is because the current premier took the money from the maintenance budget and put it into Toronto ahead of the last election to try to get more votes
Ontario went to municipalities around Toronto and told them they need to add x number of houses but never touched the north
If an elected something can spend money to get elected again by pleasing most people for that expenditure, they’ll spend on most densely populated areas, as density improves efficiency.
This is where electoral college (or other non-linear representation) stops looking bad.
Let’s be honest, what is Canada doing with all that land though?
In my experience, using it as a dumping ground for anti-social alcoholics
Why would you say that about Edmonton?
It’s full of bugs and terrible soil, also looks bigger than it is due to map distortions
That’s a globe on the image, no?
Don’t forget no growing season. That’s the real reason white people never showed up in force.
Resource extraction. Lots of mining, oil further west, logging everywhere south of the arctic circle
Lovingly taking care of it is what I’m reading here.
“BWAHAHAHAHA! And then they said that the earth isn’t for me to ruin and extract every scrap from so I can buy more private islands! Can you believe that nonsense?”
-Richfuck Ownerson
Pretty much. White people didn’t move up there en mass because there was no farmland. That doesn’t mean we don’t show up when there’s something of actual intrinsic value, though. Like the diamonds around Yellowknife, which is the one thing in the North you could call a city.
Up on the arctic coast it’s like the Europeans never arrived, if you imagine they developed rifles and skidoos independently.
Vast quantities of peat moss!
Mostly nothing. Canada got it because nobody else wanted it.
Hopefully nothing. Hopefully they continue to fuck off and let nature exist unraped up there.
Too late, plastic rain.
big toast!!
They all want to live in Torranto.
And vanchoover
It’s wild to me how empty Canada is
the us is kind of like this too
