That’s a genuine culture shock (compared to America at least). Is it true, is there a good source on this story?
These types of “Japan so polite” stories are 50-50 real or absolute bullshit fabrication.
I question if it ever really happened just based on the logistics of passing anything around a huge crowd in an uncoordinated manner and having it end up at its origin point.
https://nextshark.com/japanese-fans-world-baseball-classic-shohei-ohtani-home-run-ball
Dunno how good the source is (never heard of that site), but it aöso contains a video from fox sports
From the video, it looks like stadium security was involved.
Who knows about the source but I was looking to see any indication of where this was. I actually got a chance to see a baseball game at the Tokyo Dome or maybe it was a sumo event - it was so long ago. From my own experience and shallow understanding of the culture it’s probably true. One of the huge motivations is the fear of bringing shame to your family which can be good and bad…it’s just such a different culture and an outsider like me really can’t fully appreciate or really understand because even if you spend your life there you will probably always be considered a bit of an outsider. And the Tom Selleck movie Mr. Baseball is actually pretty good.
The culture shock is someone thinking this wouldn’t happen in the vast majority of societies lol
Americans and Brits would only do it if they knew in advance that it’d be televised, tbh. And they’d all be smiling like they’re in on something
The weird thing to me is I can understand wanting the baseball as a collectors item, but why would you want to look at it for 5 seconds when there’s an actual game going on? You could see the ball in the air and in your hand, it’s going to look just like an other baseball. It’s not even signed yet (if she even managed to get it signed)
That’s a good question.
itt: Americans angry they will never experience this level of empathy
Some things I hear about Japan makes me feel like we should be more like the Japanese. But then I remember what their work culture is like.
Imo it’s okay to take pieces of other cultures to improve your own. I know there are people who are against that, but if someone else is doing something better than you, I really don’t see why it’d be an issue to take the pieces that make it work and incorporate it into your own culture.
Hopefully nobody’s gonna say that being less entitled is cultural appropriation!
Our work culture is worse. They have some worker protections, and healthcare isn’t tied to employment.
https://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/
And their justice system
Yeah, it’s ruff there is the crazy work hours and then often the “mandatory” drinking parties after work. It really can put your own culture in perspective.
We do though. I’ve experienced it. Some kid sitting in front of me caught a foul ball from Julio Rodriguez and ran over to the dugout between innings and got him to sign it. I asked him if I could see it, then several other people wanted to see it. It got passed around a few rows of seats before making its way back to me and then the kid. Baseball fans are good fans.
I think it would only happen because a kid caught the ball
Japan is another world. When I was traveling there, I remember seeing dots on the highways so as to space your interval with the car in front of you. Another person in my group started laughing because that would be ignored in the US but the guy driving was confused and couldn’t fathom not following that rule. He was like, “why wouldn’t you do that?”
Cause America is the land of the selfish.
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That’s a funny way to spell Earth.
America has not yet been nuked
They have those dots on the road in some parts of PA, specifically around Lancaster. Some people follow the 2 dot rule there, but most I’ve seen do not.
I’ve seen them on route 41 in PA and I can’t ever remember seeing anyone maintaining a two-dot following distance.
Our work culture is worse. They have some worker protections, and healthcare isn’t tied to employment.
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I have seen these in Michigan as well.
Just use the two seconds rule, no dots needed
Fwiw, it’s the three-second rule. And why not use a visual help when there is one?
Three is definitely better but a lot of places do go by the two-second rule. And obviously use the visual aid if there is one. The point is to learn to use a fixed point to time it. If you only learn to count how many dots/lines there are, you might struggle when there aren’t any obvious markings.
Your last point is fair! I didn’t mean to imply that you should only use markings. It sounds a bit stupid to still reach the two second rule though, since the average reaction time seems to be 1-1.5s. If you need to break abruptly 0.5s won’t get you very far.
I learned the two seconds rule, actually. And from personal experience, that seems quite enough.three seconds would out rather large distances that tend to fill up with other cars
Just saying that the two (or three,) second rule can be applied anywhere and everywhere
Really? You should probably go for the three second rule though, since the average reaction time seems to be 1-1.5s. That will not give you time enough to stop if needed.
I do agree with other drivers being idiots and not leaving enough room though, it’s really annoying.
I have actually never heard of the 3 second rule, just 2 as I was taught in the Netherlands. and believe me, driving rules in the Netherlands are rigourous.
In practice it depends where you drive. 3 second rule in the Netherlands might work. In Canada maybe, in Mexico definitely not (there they have the .1 seconds rule and a LOT of head tail collisions)
Japan is a place where you can leave your phone on the table at a Cafe while you go to the bathroom and still expect it to be there when you come back, but God help you if you left your nice umbrella in the communal umbrella holder on a rainy day.
7-11 umbrellas all look the same
I think there are lot more than 7 to 11 umbrellas that look the same out there 🥸
Touché
The crime rate and especially the murder rate compared the the US is shockingly different.
Where 99.8% of trials result in conviction 😅 I’d be making damn sure that ball made it back too.
That of course is because of the high shame/snitch culture and the fact that the police can hold you indefinitely and force confessions. Conviction rates that high often have many false positives too.
https://thediplomat.com/2019/01/japans-hostage-justice-system/
https://www.vox.com/world/2015/12/13/9989250/japan-crime-conviction-rate
It may be a nice police state but imo I wouldn’t want to live under those rules. Maybe a visit if I ever have money but yeah.
Iirc part of the reason the conviction rate is so high is because either A) it’s a relatively minor infraction and person apologizes, claims it was a misunderstanding, accident, cultural differences, ignorance, etc and is then released, or B) they don’t think there’s enough evidence to convict, so they don’t even bother taking it to court.
The Japanese people are disciplined people.
plot twist: was not the same ball
if someone took it they wozld have been shamed by everone around i think that would happen in most cultures hinestly
in most cultures the ball wouldn’t be passed around at all
“Basedball” is a very fitting typo for this particular story 😁
It’s likely a side-effect of it being translated as Gairaigo then back to English. It’s so common there are lots of interesting and funny examples all over the Japan and is referred to as “jinglish”.
I love it 😂! See also engrish.com, containing such classics as a clothing retailer named Store My Ducks and a sign proclaiming that you are for sale at the ticket counter 😁
I don’t exactly understand what is remarkable here. But maybe that is because I’m not from the USA.
As an American I’m surprised it found it’s way back to her
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It’s just a slight mistake in the spelling that is a little funny and is bound to happen to anyone who isn’t a native speaker. I certainly said a lot of funny things that didn’t makes sense when I used to visit Japan when i tried to communicate in Japanese. Taking the effort to speak an other language is a great way to appreciate how hard it can be and hopefully a lot more understanding of other people who make the effort to learn your own language. So I’m glad your here participating in the conversation. :-)
One of the highlights of my life was having a chance to live with a family in the Tokyo suburbs - in Akitsu Higashimurayama. Miss them so much. お母さん に 会いたい な～
Wow they must have stayed for hours after the actual game if everyone in the stadium got a look.
And then Japan did a wholesome enslavement/genocide in Korea, China, and a bunch of other places 🥰
Unfortunately, the past war crimes, were horrific and the lack of accountability for them remains an issue. I can not speak for the average Japanese citizen but I have a feeling most of the Japanese people are ashamed of the cult of personality of their past leaders and wish the current government would handle things like the controversies surrounding Yasukuni Shrine differently. Much like most American’s don’t support Trumpism.
Trumpism
But do they support literally any other of our war criminal presidents? Why do you all act like America was somehow a force for good and not terror before Trump was elected?
Fair point, the history or US “gun-ship diplomacy”, Banana Republics, School of the America’s, Domino Theory inspired coup d’etat’s in Chile, Iran, and a dozen other places is nothing to be proud of but you have to understand that like many other places in the world much of these act’s were done covertly or couched in a steady stream of propaganda. Regular people have been fed the idea of “American Exceptionalism” most of their lives with little access to alternative narratives or if they did questions the system they were branded “radicals” or “Un-American”. You could find counter-narratives but they typically were isolated and the “counter culture” was even famously targeted by the Nixon administrations and FBI in the 60’s (e.g, COINTELPRO) but un-covering these programs required a lot of effort but because of the changing tide of less conservative and corrupt supreme court judges and a strong middle class (aka a modern educated bourgeoisie) and the existing frame work of the the Bill of Rights and Constitution along with the iterative amendments there was progress in the Rule of Law. This was also aided by legal tools like the Freedom of Information Act along with the Fifth Estate in bringing the truth to light. However, there have been strong forces by American Oligarchic’s and organizations they fund such as the Federalist Society working tirelessly to undermine these changes. Understanding this requires a level of effort beyond the typical citizen especially as the middle class has been steadily eroded and most people are just struggling to survive economically. Not to mention the proliferation of conspiratorial thinking like Q-Anon and other miss-information. So I guess what I’m trying to say is it’s complicated and it’s easy for regular citizens to often believe what they are told or want to believe things that make them feel good or not even have a voice in the actions of their own government at all. This isn’t just a United State or Japan problem it’s a constant problem in many nation states around the world and the history of societies. To your specific point of “why do you all act like America was somehow a force for good and not terror” a lot of us don’t! Maybe take a look at some of the work of English philosopher and physician John Lock because I’m just trying to keep a roof over my head and enough food and other basics like most people on this planet.
It’s just a topical example, but what aboutism that.
That’s insane
It’s based…ball after all
Germany, but in Asia.
Yea…not quite. I lived in Germany and my bike got stolen twice.
Bike theft is one of the most common crimes in Japan.
But you will find your bike back at the nearest store or in the general area, not on craiglist or marketplace.
germans are all selfish af. they just like to call everyone else an asshole while acting like a selfish fuck themself. thats why some people believe that they are saints because they act like they are so much better and some people believe it
I think all humans are selfish af, different cultures just have different ways of expressing that selfishness
I disagree
100% this.
Sorry, got to understand the new Germans that have arrived 😅
Nope. Can’t play that card with me homeboy coz the police actually caught one who stole my bike and surprise surprise , it was one of your Germans living in Germany from past 48 years.
Those countries should team up. They’d probably take over the world
. . … wait…
There’s a good YouTube video (this one, I think) that discusses how Germany and Japan were pretty much only allies on paper and they did very little to support each other’s war efforts.
Nah germany may seem organized and disciplined from outside but except for all the paperwork and the laws and norms that go into every detail it’s just as every other country (obviously some cultural difference is to be expected)
Certainly two of the countries of all time.
