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It’s safe to assume at this point that delays and chaos (and the opportunities both will provide for fraud) are the exact point.
This time around, Georgia is going to be prepared to “find” Trump however many votes he needs.
The real question is whether they’re going to bother actually doing the math to make it believable, or if they’re going to give Trump 105% of the state’s population worth of votes.
i am thinking they are going to scrutinize black neighborhood polling stations and say they didn’t match the hand count of total ballots with the digital total and therefore this polling station is invalid or something
Significant delay combined with the party that insists elections are supposed to be over at midnight. Seems like an obvious recipe to count certain votes first and then whoops out of time.
Exactly. Low-population areas are Republican-leaning and will get counted fast. Cities which are Democratic-leaning won’t have the staff to count it in one night.
Lots of places have rules about how many polling stations per county. It’s designed to create lines to vote in cities and no lines in rural areas.
That same party already made it much more onerous for people of color to vote in Georgia which will mean fewer votes to count as well
Fuck. They passed it. Harris just lost Georgia.
Look into the details of what was passed. It won’t simply delay reporting, it will allow them to refuse certification of results based on almost anything, including “suspicious” results, i.e., Trump losing under any circumstance. They’ve also installed loyalists across the state to halt certifications based on that principle on purpose.
Georgia just successfully overthrew democratic elections in their state. They did it after working out loud and in public on it for four years, and no one did anything about it. I’m dead serious when I say that this functionally and practically, which is all that matters, makes it impossible for Harris to win Georgia.
Incredible. And incredibly sad.
So by law all ballot boxes will have their seals broken immediately.
Fucking Jenius, georgia republiQans! That’s such a vote-securing idea! Also when all your Big Lie accusations become plans, you’ve gone full seditionist, just FYI ok? Ok!
And don’t even think about giving water to people stuck in line for hours in the heat. That’s a felony. (Okay its a misdemeanor, and a judge “paused enforcement” of it sort of.)
Fuckery Ahoy!!
HARRIS JUST LOST GEORGIA.
This is basically the first election result. Trump just won his first 16 electoral college votes. This should be HUGE news.
Trump loyalists now have the power to privately count votes and additionally have the power to not certify any results for reasons left intentionally vague.
Let me reiterate. HARRIS JUST LOST THE STATE OF GEORGIA.
They should hand count the ballots.
Idk what this is about but hand counting can be done on a massive scale and avoids all manner of screwups like Florida in 2000 that gave bush the election.
Even if you want that, it’s a really bad idea to set new rules for how to count ballots a few weeks before the election, when you don’t have time to hire people or train them to do it right. This guarantees chaos.
Polls close in a little under two months. We already know how to hand count ballots. Best to start early.
Early would have been a year ago. Not now.
That certainly would have been earlier. To be honest I think even if a person doesn’t have my own “hand counting is the best choice” views, planning on doing hand count in an election that was the subject of manipulation allegations two presidential elections in a row and is smart.
I mean, realistically even if you believe the machine count is fine, you’re most likely going to have to do an auditable hand recount anyway.
You trust random ass humans to be 100% honest in their counts?
If machine counting says 50/50 and hand counting says 30/70, you’ve got an indicator of a problem. What is your control if it’s all human?
The normal action with machine counts is to randomly select a subsample and hand count those to validate. It’s just slow, expensive, and error-prone to hand-count really huge numbers of ballots with lots of offices on them. And that’s the whole point of this decision — to make it so that people don’t have a reliable count of votes the next day, allowing the opportunity to toss out the voters decisions entirely.
If hand counting is so error prone then why do we hand count during recounts and as you said during spot checks?
I don’t buy it.
Perhaps support for hand counting is partly coming from people hoping it will cause chaos. I don’t think it will based on my own limited experience in elections and weather it will or won’t, even the stopped clock of people who want to prevent and slow down the count tells the right time twice a day.
Why is it such a big deal to know the next day who the winner is? They don’t take office until the next calendar year.
Because you can do it well at small scale at modest expense. It’s expensive to do well and fast for ballots with lots of offices and in large numbers.
This decision, unaccompanied by money to hire people, basically guarantees chaos.
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