I feel like Space Marine 2 reviews were mostly just people trying to make a point, either towards the state Helldivers 2 was in (frankly I find these games not comparable at all), or the fact it’s a game that doesn’t pander to LGBTQ and stuff (yes, I understand the franchise isn’t about that, read below).
Either way, I think the game was highly overrated and overhyped. I played like 4-5 hours of it, it’s an okay game. It has some serious issues that I think doesn’t fit the score it received, like no option to change FOV or camera distance (character often takes up like 1/3th of the screen) or that the game is pretty bad with keyboard and mouse, some in-game screens don’t even allow the use of a mouse, it’s clearly designed with consoles in mind.
Edit: Not going to bother to respond to people under this thread individually, but you’ve proven my point that real world politics (yes that includes LGBTQ, DEI and whatever) being forced into gaming, other media and franchises where it has no place and it’s just shoehorned in for the sake of pandering to real world situations. Like I said, Space Marine 2 luckily doesn’t suffer from this, and plenty of people celebrate the developers for staying (mostly) true to the source material, but political agendas being pushed is widely prevalent in modern gaming and becoming a serious problem in day to day lives. Anyone that claims this isn’t an issue is just part of the issue.
Taste is always subjective. I watched Charlie play it on YouTube, and he played the whole thing with mouse and keyboard and he fucking loved it. Like he was literally about jump balls deep into the tabletop and mini aspect of the IP.
Also, “pandering to LGBTQ”? A) it’s 40K, which aside from aesthetics is one of the least sexual franchises of all time. B) fuck off with that shit.
You can’t argue that 40k panders to the LGBT crowd because fuckin obviously if you’ve ever even looked at a 40k title, but you also can’t really argue that 40k isn’t at least a little sexual.
You got ratlings, pretty much everything slaanesh, aeldari waifus, and the entire Ciaphas Cain series. And while yeah, you don’t exactly get steamy love triangles in mainline 40k lore, you also have callidus assassin’s and sisters of silence popping up all the damn time. Sex isn’t the focus (mostly. Looking at you ciaphas) but it’s certainly present in the setting.
That’s what I said, it doesn’t pander to LGBTQ. Unlike a lot of other games in recent times, even in games where no form of real world politics have a place. So people are gonna encourage games that don’t make that one of their main focus points of the game. Which is what I think is part of the reason why reviews are inflated over what it should probably actually be, I’d honestly rate it more of a 6 or 7 out of 10, but that’s my personal opinion on it.
People can downvote me all they want but that doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people are done with making games about politics and DEI, and developers putting that above better/more fun gameplay. There’ve been plenty of developers pushing this stuff in their games where it doesn’t belong, let alone add anything of value. I never cared what the main protagonist is like, or what the rest of the game is like, as long as the game is fun.
From the term used I can easily determine you are more conservative than most here, and even if your comment got reported multiple time on the basis of rule 2, I’d like not to overreact and give you the occasion to develop a bit more your arguments by providing examples instead of just “its like that because I feel like it is like that”.
So, could you please kindly provide, as other in this thread asked, example of :
Games where those “political” topics doesn’t belong
Review criticizing SpaceMarine 2 for not “pandering to LGBTQ”
I believe this would help open a more open conversation than some politically opposite attacking each other personally.
In my humble opinion, Games being a work of art as much as it is an entertainment, it is up to the creator to chose what kind of story it want to talk about.
Does they want to talk about how the LGBTQ community, which has been oppressed for a long time, in their game ? Fine by me, at lease I can have some insight from the viewpoint of someone of this community, albeit virtual, to better understand said topic.
Those topics where not talked at all previously, so of course it would feel like it becomes a lot more present in the last years, just by contrast with the absence of it in previous titles.
It is also a brand new storytelling topic on which game designer have very little experience with, so it is logical for it to be talked about awkwardly at time (thus the need for specialized consulting firm like Sweet Baby Inc), with some very obvious stitches at times. Just give them time to understand how to blend it better in the story and gameplay, and you’ll get the fun games you wish for, with a diverse cast you won’t even have to complain about.
Oh fuck off, queer people aren’t politics. It’s literally just humans existing, but since some bigots want to limit their rights you call it political. This is the same exact thought process of asking “the Jewish question”.
never cared what the main protagonist is like
And yet here you are saying a bunch of dumb stuff about devs pushing things in. You can’t have it both ways.
Do you have examples of DEI’d games? Do you have sources for saying devs don’t want to do it anymore? So far I only know of guys that record videos of themselves screaming “fucking pronouns” being offended by the mere presence of pronouns, and that’s not even “DEI”. There’s also that weird steam recommendation character who criticizes every game that has a woman who isn’t meant to be a sex object, but these are all very fringe and often severely disturbed people, not at all representative of any real impactful opinions.
EDIT: Of course I don’t mean to say that these anti-woke beliefs aren’t dangerous in the right hand, or that anti-woke anti-justice warriors can’t pose a danger to anyone, but their beliefs do not need to be discussed and argued with every time, and definitely not in good faith.
I mean I will say that apparently Concord has the characters’ preferred pronouns under their name in the top corner of the screen, but I literally had no idea that was even a thing until I saw someone make a post bitching about specifically that. Like even Charlie didn’t notice (or didn’t say anything) either time he played the game.
I feel like Space Marine 2 reviews were mostly just people trying to make a point, either towards the state Helldivers 2 was in (frankly I find these games not comparable at all), or the fact it’s a game that doesn’t pander to LGBTQ and stuff (yes, I understand the franchise isn’t about that, read below).
Either way, I think the game was highly overrated and overhyped. I played like 4-5 hours of it, it’s an okay game. It has some serious issues that I think doesn’t fit the score it received, like no option to change FOV or camera distance (character often takes up like 1/3th of the screen) or that the game is pretty bad with keyboard and mouse, some in-game screens don’t even allow the use of a mouse, it’s clearly designed with consoles in mind.
Edit: Not going to bother to respond to people under this thread individually, but you’ve proven my point that real world politics (yes that includes LGBTQ, DEI and whatever) being forced into gaming, other media and franchises where it has no place and it’s just shoehorned in for the sake of pandering to real world situations. Like I said, Space Marine 2 luckily doesn’t suffer from this, and plenty of people celebrate the developers for staying (mostly) true to the source material, but political agendas being pushed is widely prevalent in modern gaming and becoming a serious problem in day to day lives. Anyone that claims this isn’t an issue is just part of the issue.
Taste is always subjective. I watched Charlie play it on YouTube, and he played the whole thing with mouse and keyboard and he fucking loved it. Like he was literally about jump balls deep into the tabletop and mini aspect of the IP.
Also, “pandering to LGBTQ”? A) it’s 40K, which aside from aesthetics is one of the least sexual franchises of all time. B) fuck off with that shit.
You can’t argue that 40k panders to the LGBT crowd because fuckin obviously if you’ve ever even looked at a 40k title, but you also can’t really argue that 40k isn’t at least a little sexual.
You got ratlings, pretty much everything slaanesh, aeldari waifus, and the entire Ciaphas Cain series. And while yeah, you don’t exactly get steamy love triangles in mainline 40k lore, you also have callidus assassin’s and sisters of silence popping up all the damn time. Sex isn’t the focus (mostly. Looking at you ciaphas) but it’s certainly present in the setting.
That’s what I said, it doesn’t pander to LGBTQ. Unlike a lot of other games in recent times, even in games where no form of real world politics have a place. So people are gonna encourage games that don’t make that one of their main focus points of the game. Which is what I think is part of the reason why reviews are inflated over what it should probably actually be, I’d honestly rate it more of a 6 or 7 out of 10, but that’s my personal opinion on it.
People can downvote me all they want but that doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people are done with making games about politics and DEI, and developers putting that above better/more fun gameplay. There’ve been plenty of developers pushing this stuff in their games where it doesn’t belong, let alone add anything of value. I never cared what the main protagonist is like, or what the rest of the game is like, as long as the game is fun.
From the term used I can easily determine you are more conservative than most here, and even if your comment got reported multiple time on the basis of rule 2, I’d like not to overreact and give you the occasion to develop a bit more your arguments by providing examples instead of just “its like that because I feel like it is like that”.
So, could you please kindly provide, as other in this thread asked, example of :
I believe this would help open a more open conversation than some politically opposite attacking each other personally.
In my humble opinion, Games being a work of art as much as it is an entertainment, it is up to the creator to chose what kind of story it want to talk about.
Does they want to talk about how the LGBTQ community, which has been oppressed for a long time, in their game ? Fine by me, at lease I can have some insight from the viewpoint of someone of this community, albeit virtual, to better understand said topic.
Those topics where not talked at all previously, so of course it would feel like it becomes a lot more present in the last years, just by contrast with the absence of it in previous titles. It is also a brand new storytelling topic on which game designer have very little experience with, so it is logical for it to be talked about awkwardly at time (thus the need for specialized consulting firm like Sweet Baby Inc), with some very obvious stitches at times. Just give them time to understand how to blend it better in the story and gameplay, and you’ll get the fun games you wish for, with a diverse cast you won’t even have to complain about.
Oh fuck off, queer people aren’t politics. It’s literally just humans existing, but since some bigots want to limit their rights you call it political. This is the same exact thought process of asking “the Jewish question”.
And yet here you are saying a bunch of dumb stuff about devs pushing things in. You can’t have it both ways.
Lgbtqia people existing is not “real world politics” and they are grossly underrepresented in media.
OMG totally agree. It’s so upsetting when my game isn’t just about straight white characters.
Not what I said. And like many others entirely missing the point.
Yeah I’m making fun of you
Do you have some examples? It would really help to discuss specifics.
Do you have examples of DEI’d games? Do you have sources for saying devs don’t want to do it anymore? So far I only know of guys that record videos of themselves screaming “fucking pronouns” being offended by the mere presence of pronouns, and that’s not even “DEI”. There’s also that weird steam recommendation character who criticizes every game that has a woman who isn’t meant to be a sex object, but these are all very fringe and often severely disturbed people, not at all representative of any real impactful opinions.
EDIT: Of course I don’t mean to say that these anti-woke beliefs aren’t dangerous in the right hand, or that anti-woke anti-justice warriors can’t pose a danger to anyone, but their beliefs do not need to be discussed and argued with every time, and definitely not in good faith.
The funko pop star wars nintendo pronoun screamers are to the political right what Alex Jones is to Ronald Reagan
I feel like I need a translator for this comment
I’m assuming “useful idiots continuing a harmful tradition”
🙄
Yeah, that’s not a thing.
I mean I will say that apparently Concord has the characters’ preferred pronouns under their name in the top corner of the screen, but I literally had no idea that was even a thing until I saw someone make a post bitching about specifically that. Like even Charlie didn’t notice (or didn’t say anything) either time he played the game.