I’d happily pay for YouTube if they didn’t want such a ridiculous price for it.
It used to be like 3€ without music bundled into it. I don’t want Music. Give me that plan back.
Adblock plus takes money to whitelist ads, do not give them single cent.
That is true and false. Adblock plus takes money for the acceptable afs program, yes. But there are clear guidelines about the ads. Containing criteria for privacy, size in relation to content and more.
I work in IT for 20 years now. Half this time my salary was paid for by ads:
My company hosted big german news outlets. All money they made online was from ads.
More adblockers meant less income so their required more ads just to come out without losing money.
ABP tried to break this cycle.
Now we are having paywals, and paywal breakers. And at this point this is outright stealing.
If adblockers would allow ads that adhere to the acceptable ads criteria, the world would be a better place. Less paywals, less ads and maybe some companies would pay their employees a little bit more.
If adblockers would allow ads that adhere to the acceptable ads criteria, the world would be a better place. Less paywals, less ads and maybe some companies would pay their employees a little bit more.
I disagree. The system may have began in earnest goodwill, but financial incentive inevitably erodes goodwill. ABP becomes incentivized to adapt its definition of “acceptable” based on potential revenues they stand to gain from increasingly persuasive advertisers. Your vision of a better world under this system is at best temporary.
The alternative model, simply paying for goods and services directly, is a far more robust solution.
AdBlock Plus takes money to whitelist ads.
This is true and false, for in fact, you see, AdBlock Plus takes money to whitelist ads.
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Using proper ad-blockers that actually let you block ads and not just some that they don’t get paid to show, is no more stealing than me walking away from the TV during commercials (if I still had flow TV). It’s just more convenient for me. If I can not use a site without allowing their shitty ads, they can go fuck themselves, I will go somewhere else.
I’d also happily pay for content, if the prices they charged were reasonable. But greed always gets In the way and subscriptions just go up-up-up, manipulative pricing strategies that change the prices according to number of views etc. just to keep that infinite growth going. Companies that incorporate those kind of things can go to hell.
I was talking about paywall removers not adblockers in that sentence
I added to my comment, maybe after you replied.
Like I mentioned in the edit, I don’t mind paying for content. But the way they manage the pricing makes me defy them out of spite. When they want to manipulate the pricing like that, they themselves started the immoral behaviour. When your opponent fights dirty, you level the playing field by circumventing their efforts.
Even if you go with the “acceptable” part of that whole thing it’s still shady.
It’s one thing to boycott ads as an individual user (and to “steal” ad revenue from websites) but a completely different thing if you run an external service that steals (without quotation marks) from the revenue pool.
This has to be satire. Greed is not compatible with moderation.
You delivered some good points. I also work with publishers.
Ad blockers have had an impact, but I think the bigger driver is that premium demand has migrated spending to connected TV (CTV, showing ads on an Internet connected large screen). Publishers just don’t get the rates they used to for web and mobile inventory, even if they’re doing everything right.
I think when another trendy channel like AI ads straight to your brain or whatever pops up we will see another migration.
Out of curiosity, what was your CEO and other executives making while claiming “it’s cause ad blockers”?
We didn’t care. We were the hosting provider nor the news outlets. But we had close contact to our customers. And a lot of the smaller customers had a hard time to even survive. The primary source of income was print until paywals came around. Some customers never had print and had to close down with the surge of ad blockers
Yes Billy, yes!
The dad is correct here; AdBlock Plus is corporatized, and uBlock Origin is the better option hands-down in every capacity.
I remember when ABP started whitelisting ads as part of some twisted business model. I switched to uBlock so fast and haven’t looked back.
They did. If I remember right it actually started with them kissing the Google ring first.
“p-please, shit in my mouth, daddy g” -abp
It used to be the defacto extension, everyone used it. I remember when the dev sold out. I get it, money can be exchanged for goods and services, but now they can’t show their face in many places as they are ‘the lowlife piece of shit who sold out abp’ and that’s basically a death sentence in tech hub places.
Yes, but sleep soundly at night on a big pile of money.
Get F-Droid, and go use NewPipe. Export your subscriptions from YouTube and load them into NewPipe. Problem solved.
It’s too bad that there’s no iOS equivalent. :'(
There’s Yattee. Open Source and works quite well.
Thank you! I’m switching to iPhone today whenever It gets here, and the loss of newpipe is one thing I’ve been really worried about. I’ll check out the app you recommended after I’m done setting up my new phone
This is an ad in itself. Hilarious.
Is it tho if it’s pounting out ABP isn’t any good?
Ublock origin FTW
There is no such thing as bad publicity.
Is this you Ji…Ji…Jimmeh?
AdGuard on iPhone was the best purchase I ever made. Combined with baking soda and vinegar - perfect
I’ve just started using AdNauseum, which I think builds off of uBlock Origin, but also silently clicks and hides ads instead of just the latter. So far it seems to work pretty well, although I did have to set some sites to strict blocking.
THERE IT IS!! I remember a thread on reddit about a year ago where someone linked that and I forgot what it was called and couldn’t find it for my life. Ty!
Does that make money for google when it clicks ads?
In the short term it ought to make money for advertisers like Google from those who choose to place ads, but ideally in the long-term, it loses them money by dramatically devaluing clickthroughs if enough people use it.
I don’t necessarily know if this is true, though, and whatever case, it seems like AdNauseum’s mission statement is to prevent profiling by blanket clicking everything, not to devalue ads. I just don’t personally use it because I’m content with blocking everything and don’t foresee much personal benefit in AdNauseum.
I like your answer more than what I was gonna type up :P
Up until a couple days ago, I was using uBO & PrivacyBadger in tandem. Maybe I’ll back to that, as I sit closer to your viewpoint vs giving ads any revenue stream. It’s kinda in the same realm as why I’d buy a game using CDKeys vs pirating/torrenting. It’s a morally grey area that makes it somewhat redeemable, but the point still stands. In AdNauseum’s case,
you really can’t tell what ads are clicked on and therefore don’t know what any revenue stream is going in to which pocketsyou can inspect the ads it clicks on after the fact, but the money for said clicks still go somewhere, even if it’s in the fraction of a fraction of a cent.Heh, I may just switch back. Thanks?.. Yeah, thanks!
Does any ad blocker actually block YouTube ads? Origin doesn’t appear to be effective for me. Any advice is appreciated.
Which browser are you using? Firefox with ublock origin blocks every ad for me. I havent seen one on youtube in years.
“but first, a word from our sponsor”
(get SponsorBlock too)
If u are using chrome, then that is the issue.
Origin blocks ads for me on FF. Depending on the video you’re watching, know that YouTube is now hard coding ads into its video which nothing so far can block (as far as i know)
uBO effectively blocks every ad that can be blocked. Youtube has started to insert the ads directly into the video stream and that’s not practically blockable.
Combining multiple ad blockers can interfere with ad blocking, though. Try creating a new, temporary profile with default settings and no addons, installing uBO, and see if it’s still broken.
it’s still practical to block them, twitch has adblockers and uses the same mechanics, if there’s a client rendered element(such as a pop up box that can be clicked) it’s detectable and therefor skippable or at the very least hidable.
if there’s a client rendered element(such as a pop up box that can be clicked) it’s detectable
Neat, I’d never thought of that part. Usually when this topic is brought up, people talk about downloading the video multiple times and then diffing them to find the (presumably changing) commercials, but that’s a much simpler way. And it’s not as if they’d want an ad you can’t click on, so there’s no good countermeasure to it.
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Depends on the type of ad. The new ones that YouTube injects into the video stream would not be blockable. Everything else is blocked just fine.
I know youtube has been selective about rollouts, but I use uBlock, sponsor block, and ABP in chrome and have had zero issues.
Unfortunately security at work just shut down all use of Firefox, and I was using YouTube enhancer. Forced to using Edge now.
Non work FF4lyfe and no issue, but I’ve always had to use more than just ublock origin.
