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Most people kind of just assumed that open source was immune from politics, and now that illusion is being shattered. I expect that long term this will lead to bifurcation of technology between the G7 and BRICS. We’re already seeing Chinese companies go their own way, and stuff like OpenHarmony is a direct product of US sanctions.
If the west is going to continue to act petulantly then countries outside the west will have no choice but to fork projects like Linux kernel and develop them on their own. This could backfire spectacularly on the west as these could end up forks becoming more popular than the original projects soaking up the talent around the world. We saw this scenario play out on a smaller scale when Oracle acquired Sun and declared that they owned MySQL, Hudson, and OpenOffice. Forks sprung up overnight and now the original projects are effectively dead.
How much time until they remove Chinese maintainers?
Possibly if/when China uses weapons against Taiwan or some other country in Asia according to Theodore Ts’o in that thread (here)
There are multiple sanctions programs, and at least in the US, for the sanctions program which Huawei is in, there is an exception for conversations and patches that take place in a public mailing list, such as LKML. As a result, as the ext4 maintainer, I am comfortable taking patches from engineers employed by Huawei, and I consider them valued members of the ext4 development community.
However, note that China is not actively attacking Taiwai militarily, while there are Russian missiles and drones, some of which may controlled by embedded Linux systems, that are being used against Ukraine even as we speak. Hence, it should not be surprising that the rules imposed by the US Government might be different for Huawei compared to other sanctioned entities that are directly or indirectly controlled by the Russian Military-Industrial complex.
There are also other sanctions regimes imposed by Japan, European Countries, etc., which might be more or less strict. So in general, if you are not sure what you need to do as an US, European, Japanese, etc. citizen who might be subject to civil or criminal penalties ---- talk to a lawyer.
The bottom line is that it is a false equivalence to claim that sanctions involving China and Russia are the same. They very much aren’t; one country is engaging in an active shooting war (or if you prefer, “special military operation”), and the other is not.
Of course, if China were to militarily attack Taiwan or some other country in Asia, circumstances might change at some point in the future. Hopefully Chinese leaders will pursue a path of wisdom and those consequences won’t come to pass. Ultimately, though, that’s not up to any of us on this mail thread.
Cheers,
- Ted
There is multiple programs to enforce U.S hegemony over global financial trade, indeed, sanctions are one of these tools. Linux systems are used by the terrorist nation of the United States, certainly, in military use against civilians. Most certainly, intelligence operations have used Linux systems as means to spy and infringe upon our personal privacy waivered away by our governance during 9/11.
Nations collaborating with this terrorist nation also certainly use Linux systems in their governance. So that brings up a question, why is the exception carved out if this occurs when our nation and nations collaborating with it are bombing civilians, sponsoring a genocide and engaging in clandestine intelligence operations against it’s own citizens? Especially if Taiwan is a part of China and in the wisdom of Chinese leaders to suppress a violent fascist remnant that has seceded from them.
Russia is intervening after Ukraine was indiscriminately shelling citizens in an ‘active shooting war’ right on their border in an active genocide of those who decided to secede after Maidan which was funded by the West in order to expand NATO aggressively and Banderite fascists took over. The same fascists who are wearing lighting bolts and skulls as “ironic” tattoos found constantly on Azov and others. By the way, are Linux systems barred from Ukraine after they shelled the DPR and LPR? I doubt it.
The wisdom of Chinese leaders are already apparent in that they haven’t invaded over 50 nations worldwide nor participate with multiple nations in a data-sharing pool on spying on their citizens (Five Eyes). Why are there so many double standards?
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where did you get this?
What do you mean, specifically?
Like, my tone? The russia-ukraine history? U.S invading over 50 nations worldwide? Five Eyes?
Sorry, just gotta make sure lol.
But Taiwan is part of China, heck both sides agree with that statement, the only argument is if the government of China is the Communist Peoples Republic of China, or the Fascist and Puppet of the US government of the Republic of China. Not only that but most of the world, including offically the United States recognize this fact, and have recognized the Peoples Republic of China, Tiwan is a province in rebellion, and it is a soverign right for them to end this civil war. You would not bat an eye if Florida said it was the government of the US and stopped listening, and the US military used force to bring it back into line
There is also the issue where we are starting to take our morals from governments, and not the other way around, this is a dangerous territory. I mean would say that Russia stepping in to both enforce a treaty, and end the genocide aganst the eastern Ukrainians would be a good thing. I would also like to point out that on numerous occasions, especially and most notably being in the first 2 weeks offered peace negotiations, that the US and UK told Ukraine not to negotiate and have been repeatedly sabatoging negotions, so once aigan I fail to see Russia as the bad guy.
Also Why is Isn’trel also sanctioned, they are doing an active genocide, the reason is because they are a puppet of the United States, and everything they are doing is endorsed by the United States, but should we not hold them in more moral contempt than Russia, if we are banning countries should we not consider putting Isn’treal on that list as well?
Jesus, liberals can never not be smug
Nor bleed their extensive chauvinism and short political memory all over the place.
There are multiple sanctions programs, and at least in the US, for the sanctions program which Huawei is in, there is an exception for conversations and patches that take place in a public mailing list, such as LKML.
I guess evil ruski developers are having gremlins secretly commit their patches while Linus is fast asleep.
Somewhere else Linus Torvalds flew off the handle. Calling people Russian shills, paid actors etc. To justify his anger, he held up his heritage and said “I’m Finnish”.
Sad to see. Must be hard for those who have been following Linux, or even contributing, for a long time, seeing it devolve into such pathetic falling in lockstep with the most demeaning lines of the day about countries the US deems “bad”.
Not too surprising with a Finnish though. Their Russophobia is exceptional among Russophobes.
this whole debacle has me censored everywhere.
simple double standards. and saying israel is not under sanctions that’s why they aren’t banned. i’m so fkn sick of this nonsense.
It’s not a double standard. It conforms to Western politics standards.
all of the Linux infrastructure and a lot of its maintainers are in the US
Maybe if they migrate to the Principality of Sealand 😐
