Battery life is a sticking point, but the speed is generally worth it.
  • The Hobbyist@lemmy.zip
    English
    66·
    9 months ago

    The battery life in arstechnica’s review stands out as different and lower compared to 2 other reviews (pcgamer and techradar):

    https://lemmy.zip/comment/3284894

    It might be due to the use of the USB-A ports on the backside of the laptop which are known to have some abnormal power draw, which framework is currently addressing.

    • ThetaDev@lemm.eeEnglish
      7·
      9 months ago

      Do they now have additional USB ports on the back side? Or do you refer to having USB modules plugged in?

      • Abbrahan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        9 months ago

        They were talking about the usb modules. The back two on either side (the ones closest to the screen) have an issues where the USB 4 Type C to USB A adapter is not fully going to sleep when nothing is plugged in. So ArsTechnica’s reviewer most likely had one of the USB A modules plugged into those two USB 4 ports which causes their apparent poor battery life.

        • The Hobbyist@lemmy.zip
          English
          5·
          9 months ago

          Indeed. On both the picture at the top of the article and at the bottom, do we see them having the USB-A expansion card in the slot closest to the screen. If that’s how it was configured for the battery test, it would show battery life in a non-optimal configuration.

          Edit: this is only an issue on the AMD board.

          • Abbrahan@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            9 months ago

            I believe Framework said they are looking into fixes for this issue, either with firmware patches or if neccesary a hardware revision of the USB A module. Current workaround is just to not put USB A into those two back slots.

  • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
    361·
    9 months ago

    I have a first gen framework and I really like it. Having the ports behave differently on this AMD does seem a little annoying but I guess you’d get used to it.

    • Bilb!@lem.monsterEnglish
      18·
      9 months ago

      I think it’s an alright compromise. I rarely move my expansion cards around. I use four USB-C cards and sometimes swap one out for a storage card that has Windows installed on it.

      • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
        12·
        9 months ago

        I also don’t move them often, it’s interesting they weren’t able to get all 4 the same though. I haven’t read anything that actually explains it. I guess the CPU can only handle that configuration.

        • round_circle@feddit.deEnglish
          17·
          9 months ago

          The Ryzen 7840U and 7640U, by specification, support 2 USB 4 ports and 2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports. So it seems that’s just a limitation by the architecture.

          • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
            3·
            9 months ago

            Thanks. I’ve read a few articles about these AMD frameworks but have never seen the reason for the limitation mentioned.

      • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
        5·
        9 months ago

        USB 3.2 gen 2 isn’t exactly slow. In fact, for USB use cases it’s USB 3.2 gen 2 that runs over the USB 4 ports. It’s just the USB 4 ports can do other protocols too, like thunderbolt, pcie and displayport.

        Seeing as most laptops I see might have 2xUSB-C ports total, I don’t see it as a drawback.

  • 1984@lemmy.todayEnglish
    301·
    9 months ago

    They don’t sell this in my country, it’s so annoying! Everything I want in a laptop is right there.

    Ive had two Lenovo laptops lately and they have ALL broken in different ways after a few years.

    First one, mouse pad clicks stopped working.

    Second one, some keys stopped working.

    I want a laptop where I can replace things like this when they break.

  • kraniax@lemmy.wtfEnglish
    379·
    9 months ago

    Still no CoreBoot support, so it’s a hard pass for me. I wish they worked on it, they promised it back in 2020.

      • Redderthanmisty@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        Yeah, there’s still plenty of issues I have with my framework laptop, but I’m ultimately happier with it than I would’ve been will Dell, Lenovo, Asus, etc.

    • krolden@lemmy.mlEnglish
      92·
      9 months ago

      I think they’re still hiring coreboot devs on their career page. Maybe they’re not willing to pay enough?

  • Reygle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    218·
    9 months ago

    My biggest complaint: In stock: never

    Since I’m allergic to ever preordering anything, ever, for any reason whatsoever, this may as well be vaporware.

  • Psythik@lemm.eeEnglish
    350·
    9 months ago

    I lost all interest the moment I saw that it has no dedicated GPU.

      • Polar@lemmy.caEnglish
        316·
        9 months ago

        Plenty of laptops have dedicated GPUs, and framework is actually releasing one with a dedicated GPU.

        Why would you want a laptop that can do some CPU tasks but falls on its ass when doing GPU tasks? Seems ridiculous to buy a laptop capable of only doing half as many things. Integrated graphics are garbage.

          • Polar@lemmy.caEnglish
            191·
            9 months ago

            I’m not hunting for whatever comment you think I should be looking for, my guy.

              • Polar@lemmy.caEnglish
                3·
                9 months ago

                They only produce heat if you’re using them. Otherwise they run pretty ambient.

                It’s wild that you wouldn’t want a GPU, since it makes the machine like 50% more capable.

            • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
              118·
              9 months ago

              Well I’m not sure how you can expect a response if I already answered what you said before you posted

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.eeEnglish
        10·
        9 months ago

        I’d imagine for graphics intensive tasks and they’ll have to be moving the device around?

          • Kusimulkku@lemm.eeEnglish
            81·
            9 months ago

            So every time you move say from home to school you’d have to bring an external device? What’s the point of that?

            • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
              28·
              9 months ago

              Yeah mean like how you’re bringing the laptop?

              I’d also recommend an external drive of some sort, and a keyboard/mouse

              • Kusimulkku@lemm.eeEnglish
                5·
                9 months ago

                So someone needs the extra gpu power from a dGPU in a handy form factor like laptop and you suggest an external gpu for… what benefit? I don’t get it. Seems like you’ve just made the moving around part more cumbersome for no extra benefit.

                • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
                  17·
                  9 months ago

                  If you think moving around a laptop + gpu dock is more cumbersome than moving a desktop around then good on you

                  Compared to laptops with a built in dGPU then the benefits are lifespan, power, affordability

          • iopq@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            9 months ago

            Unless it’s one of those that has an oculink connection, you wouldn’t have enough bandwidth on the USB 4 port to be able to game on it at full speed

            • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
              13·
              9 months ago

              Personally, I would never game on a laptop? It’s an expensive way to get cruddy performance.

              • iopq@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                9 months ago

                I’ve paid $14 for 7 hours at a net cafe, would have saved money if I had a gaming laptop when I was away from home.

      • Psythik@lemm.eeEnglish
        110·
        9 months ago

        I wouldn’t but my girlfriend does, despite me trying to explain to her why desktops are better. I don’t buy laptops.