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Hey! This post is not specifically related to the lemmy.world instance. From now on, posts such as these will be removed, in order for the community to stay on topic. However, as this is a highly upvoted post, I’ll just lock it for now.
EDIT: Argh, got the text placement wrong. Whatever, good enough for a low-effort meme :P
Controversial take but in the early days I think it’s fine if you replicate the content from the old Reddit posts (maybe even link to the post) as long as you don’t claim credit. I think people just wanna see things at first, and then the conversation can grow. It’s not like Reddit was chock full of OC.
I’m sort of hoping for a forum/reddit-y combo. My god I miss forums for niche weird stuff that I’m autistic about, but I also like consuming media at an ADD pace.
Am I the problem?
Lemmy does feel a bit cozy, kind of reminds me of the best of those worlds. It’ll be neat to watch it grow… hopefully.
You are not alone, and I’m starting to feel that treating Lemmy like a federation of web forums instead of Reddit replacement would fit the underlying model better.
wassadifference - reddit was after all just a bunch of message boards that made it easy to skip from one to another.
Imagine if zetaboards - or whatever came before that - had come up with the idea to make it easy for users to cross between different boards.
I have no idea how to use this, but there is an official phpbb like frontend for lemmy:
That’s actually cool and a bit like what I had in mind. But it doesn’t seem to offer an actual hierarchical view of the lemmyverse.
It would be nice to have a forum style clear treeview of the forums (instances) and their subforums (communities) with activity indicators etc to make browsing and discovering content straight forward. Then if you subscribe to a community it would also show in it’s own treeview that the user could arrange to their liking.
I like Lemmy for what it is. Feels like a return to an earlier web experience.
Hehehe, Reddit was repost king and Crosspost king
I was gonna do that but the subreddit I wanted is private lmao.
It’s probably back up, time to do what redditors do best- REPOST!!!
That’s my thoughts really. Integrate content that’s being posted to reddit to flesh the boards out for the time being, and the communities will gradually grow on their own.
Don’t be afraid to go a little bit further afield or dig into archives a bit. There’s plenty of good perfectly good shitposts out there that just need dusted off and set before a new audience. Get creative, folks.
Something something tree fiddy
Ok what if you made a community, posted in it twice a day since the shutdown and now feel like ur talking to much?
Maybe no one likes the Chiefs?
Just kidding, I know nothing about sports.
😭😭 Lol more likely I’m not good at generating good content. I was above a lurker on Reddit but not by much. I’m just trying here cuz spez pissed me off.
Omg a chiefs fan here already!? MAHOMIE!! I’m not the best content creator for the topic but I’ll def join and go up vote everything!!
Happy ending!
Take my upvote!
!remindme 7 days
gotta have a milestone to see where my instance is based on this. will the meme be milk or wine?
Is there already a remindme bot?
i wish, ill be working on bots soon, one of the main reasons i fired up my own instance.
Oh man, this just reminded me that I still have a few weird remindme bot comments I made for like 5-10 years down the line. Ah well, when Reddit is a backwater nothing I’ll probably login years from now and find a bunch of weird alerts from the remindme bot.
Not to worry. The API changes will have killed the bot long before then
Ok what if you made the community and posted in it twice daily and now feel like you are talking to yourself?
What is your topic? I’m shit for OC but I am a slut for commenting (I’ll even argue with you and get you nostalgic for Reddit if that’s what you’re into). You just gotta pick one of my ADHD hyperfixations.
I can generate engagement like a crazy person. Too much even. I have too many opinions and you people are my only outlet outside of my partner.
Kansas City Chiefs is the community I started here. But I was active on Reddit in that, Kerbal Space Program, Baduk (Go), and space and science communities.
Yoooooooo! Another Baduk liker out here in the wild!
There are dozens of us! Dozens! Life was busy for a few months so I haven’t played much recently so I probably lost 2 ranks as it goes but I always come back to it.
Hahaha, I’ve never played seriously enough to get all that good. I’ve always been very firmly double digit kyu, but I love getting in a game when I can find someone who will agree to play. I’ve been getting more into online play, but I used to do pretty much exclusively physical games.
If you are on OGS send me a correspondence game (same username.) I also prefer irl but I have exhausted all of my friends and families patience with Go a long time ago lol
Our overlaps are currently only space and science. Go as in the game? I think I can get into it, I’m just scared of the rules. Seems complicated. How can I get decent at it so that I can kick my partners butt? He kicks my butt at chess because he’s been playing for years but he vaguely knows about go but never played. Nothing would please him more than if I learned it decently and destroyed him at it. Im not lying, he loves when I’m randomly good at something because he loves when I become his main opponent, he’d get obsessed with the game.
And if he gets obsessed with it, he floods me with random information about it and then eventually I use that info as ammunition to talk shit on the internet. I’ve played maybe 5 games of foosball in my life but I could probably get into a fight to the death in the comments over Tornado vs Garlando vs Leonhart because my partner just infuses that information into me.
All this to say is that I’d love to comment and I can talk about any fucking thing. This is my third paragraph and I’ve said nothing of value. It’s a gift. But someone needs to sell me on Go.
https://online-go.com/learn-to-play-go
Is a great starting resource. I also came from playing chess first and most chess enthusiasts do love go once they learn it. Once you play through those instructions your best bet is to play some 9x9 until the rules click and then go up to 13x13 and then 19x19.
There are only three rules so it’s one of those easy to learn but hard to master things. If you think it’s something you want to learn after going through that link and playing a bit message me and I can play a teaching game with you on online-go.com one teaching game with a person walking through the game usually helps a lot then you’ll be all set to destroy your partner at a game he will hopefully become obsessed with.
Thank you for the resource. I’ll give it a “Go” tomorrow. If it makes my brain monkeys dance, you’re gonna be in luck (at least from the perspective that I’m gonna be filling at least one of your hobbies with endless comments and engagement).
For a successful community online you need two types of people: content creators and fillers. I’m a filler. I don’t provide value 99% of the time but I can generally keep a discussion going for long enough to make communities busy enough to attract content creators. I know people are pessimistic about Lemmy but if just a few fillers start passionately bickering in the comments, this whole project is fine.
Anyway I’m gonna tell you if I like Go. I might also take you up on the match when I’m comfortable with the rules. I’ll do my best, but the ADHD really runs this ship and I just do what the dopamine tells me. Wish you well in your Kansas City journey - not even sure what sport that is.
Eventually someone will roll in and then you’ll just be talking a lot at them.
If you’re lucky, they might even talk back.
Is there some place to advertise new communities?
Cool thanks!
Ironically the first one is giving me a “couldn’t find community” error (I guess I have to search it first?), but the second one is good.
Thanks for the links!
That’s because nobody on your instance has subscribed to it yet. Take the text (!findacommunity@lemmy.ml), and in the communities page, paste that into search. Switch from “Communities” to “All” in the search options, then you can click through and subscribe.
Thanks.
Because of the way Lemmy displays new replies, it looks like you’re calling me a barbarian at the end of each of these, haha!
I love your profile picture
I am still learning
i adore this old meme.
Me too I think I am getting old.
I almost woke my family up. 🔥
This is me.
Now I do the same thing I’ve always done,
Lurk and never contribute any content!
I’ll try to change i swear
Start posting, chatting and contributing! I’m trying to be active here myself.
I don’t like modding, but I’ve even created my own community here, which is saying a lot given how lazy I am.
And while I’m at it, i hope you don’t mind a shoutout to my new community, maliciouscompliance - recreated this as it was one of my favorite places to lurk on reddit!
/c/maliciouscompliance@lemmy.world
Awesome job man. Keep at it and I’m subbing. I’ll sub over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over
thanks and thanks and thanks and thanks and thanks and thanks and thanks!
I’ve done the same with c/reddevils. Never moderated before, but it was one of my main communities on Reddit and it didn’t exist here, so now it does!
high five!
Voting on content and interact in the comments is a lot easier than making posts and it’s still really helpful towards building vibrant thriving communities here.
If you have a sub you like that you think you could contribute to via posts, that would be awesome! But even just taking the time to throw your votes around does a lot (especially with fewer users)
Yeah I’m just really not used to making posts (but I swear I’ll try) but I at least try to vote and comment.
People actually reply to my stuff here and I don’t end uo in the unread gutter with thousands of others! Keep posting :)
Reddit refugees be like “Why isn’t this Reddit and when will the devs LiStEn To ThIeR uSeRs AnD mAkE iT rEdDiT”
Seems pretty similar to Reddit to me, besides the whole decentralised nature which is a plus anyway
What are people complaining about?
Yeah, I’m in this picture but Lemmy basically is Reddit already.
Alongside that more reasonable point of individual features, alot of people are mad that the service is instance based and are angry that that there isn’t a single iteration of communities, IE only one /c/aww or /c/vets or whatever.
Basically they fled a central organizational authority and got mad there’s no central organizational authority.
Yeah, I’m a Reddit refugee, and I heard a bunch of people complaining about there being no “centralized login”, and I’m like–bruh, that’s WHY WE MOVED HERE, lmao!
That’s why I’m so frustrated about it “WTF Why isn’t this Reddit”
Bro there are Reddit clones if you want em YOU CAME HERE BECAUSE IT’S NOT THAT STOP DEMANDING THAT IT BE THAT
I’m not sure there are reddit clones. (I could be wrong, but…)That’s why everyone settled here.
I admit that I’m here from reddit. There was much discussion, and everyone came up with this site as the next closest thing.
That being said, when traveling to a foreign place, you integrate into the existing society. Obviously, thats not a skill everyone was taught.
This is a steep learning curve and confusing. It would be helpful to get some orientation after landing
Lemmy.world has a little guide. I totally understand there being a learning curve, I’m IT so don’t have much trouble but I get that people are flocking from “just works” land and most people have zero idea how any tech works.
My problem isn’t people struggling to learn how this different system works, my problem is people who come HERE instead of one of the available more direct Reddit clones then refusing to learn how this system works, bitching that it isn’t Reddit, and start harping that the devs need to make it Reddit. If you just want New Reddit, that option is available. A couple, in fact. Lemmy got some buzz though and people want to be cool kids, instead of picking the more suitable option for them. Shit’s frustrating to me as a user, and I feel for the devs who have been working on this specific vision for this project then just wake up to 1,000 “MAKE IT REDDIT I WANT EVERYTHING ON ONE INSTANCE CAUSE I’M USED TO IT” posts.
Rant aside, I’m no Lemmy expert but if you have questions about how things work, I’ll do my best to help.
I’m brand new and I have spent ~~almost a week ~~ a few days trying to log on for a second time (first time worked great, always timed out after that). But I’m here now!
One thing that has been frustrating is that 90% of the time I’ve seen someone say that it’s confusing, people just say IT’S SO EASY, TRY LEARNING and then the learning materials describe the concept of the fediverse and Lemmy but not how to use it.
I still don’t really understand. I’ve used a hundred different forums and forum-adjacent type services, and Lemmy seems to be similar enough to Reddit, except that each server is it’s own reddit, but if anyone on the server is connected to another server, it’ll pull in communities followed by anyone on the server?
Again, I don’t really get it. I’m trying, but it’s a bit confusing. I get that it’s decentralized and all the servers are unique and it’s one login, but I don’t get how the communities fit together between servers, if they do at all. Would this mean that we can have duplicate communities on different servers?
That’s funny because one of the first things I read about Lemmy after learning of it was the “Don’t tell people it’s easy” article:
https://privacy.thenexus.today/kbin-lemmy-fediverse-learnings-from-mastodon/
I’m brand new and I have spent almost a week trying to log on for a second time (first time worked great, always timed out after that). But I’m here now!
One thing that has been frustrating is that 90% of the time I’ve seen someone say that it’s confusing, people just say IT’S SO EASY, TRY LEARNING and then the learning materials describe the concept of the fediverse and Lemmy but not how to use it.
I still don’t really understand. I’ve used a hundred different forums and forum-adjacent type services, and Lemmy seems to be similar enough to Reddit, except that each server is it’s own reddit, but if anyone on the server is connected to another server, it’ll pull in communities followed by anyone on the server?
Again, I don’t really get it. I’m trying, but it’s a bit confusing. I get that it’s decentralized and all the servers are unique and it’s one login, but I don’t get how the communities fit together between servers, if they do at all. Would this mean that we can have duplicate communities on different servers?
I see alot of people using an email analogy that people don’t seem to follow, I saw another analogy so I’ll give it a go (and probably butcher it haha.)
You have the planet, right? “Lemmy” as a concept, the “Fediverse” is the planet. Then, you have countries. Large, all encompassing central entities, each with it’s own ruling government and systems. What you can get away with in Ireland, might not be legal in Turkey. Instances (or servers) like lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, etc are the “countries.” Each can have it’s own standards, practices, rules, etc. Then the communities are like cities in those countries, beholden to the larger entity but otherwise allowed to run themselves and do what they do.
For your last question, let’s look at those communities (cities, per our analogy.) Say I live in Franklin, Maine. Around town, if you’re talking about home you don’t say Franklin, Maine all the time do you? It’s just Franklin, because if you’re in Maine (or your home country if not US) it’s presumed you’re talking about the Franklin that you’re in (or the Franklin down the road if you live two cities over.)
There’s still a Franklin in Alabama, Idaho, Illinois, Michigan, and like 40 other states. ^(Thanks wiki :P) So if I wanted to talk about or visit one of THOSE Franklins, I would specify Franklin, Idaho, or Franklin, Illinois. That’s the “Fediverse.”
(Pretend for a minute we are in a community /c/puppies for this bit so it’s less confusing) This group, for us, is just /c/puppies because it’s our local /c/puppies, just as I from your perspective am just @CannaVet because we are both in our home “country” of lemmy.world (the instance/server.) If you look at one of the replies to the comment you replied to, you will see someone as @JakeBacon@lemm.ee. He is visiting our “country” of lemmy.world, from his home “country” of lemm.ee. Over in the “country” of lemm.ee, they may also have a community (city) of /c/puppies which is notated as such to HIM because it’s local to his home country just as ours is to us - but for us to visit would be “traveling” so we would visit /c/puppies@lemm.ee because we’re leaving home and visiting another country. For him to come here he has to come to /c/puppies@lemmy.world because HE would be the “traveler.”
Same with users, I’m just @CannaVet and you’re just @Swoggles because we’re “at home” on lemmy.world, but if we click around and are perusing a community on lemmy.ml we would show as @CannaVet@lemmy.world and @Swoggles@lemmy.world because we’re “traveling.” There may be a @Cannavet@lemmy.ml, but on lemmy.ml they would just be @CannaVet and I would be @CannaVet@lemmy.world, because I’m visiting their “country.” If they come here I’m @CannaVet and they’re @CannaVet@lemmy.ml.
We’re different users, with different accounts, on different servers, completely unrelated. Communities work the same way - I may run /c/stuff@lemmy.world however I want, but somebody might be running /c/stuff@lemmy.ml completely differently with completely different rules and content entirely over on that instance.
As for exploring different instances, you can go most anywhere you want (mostly, my understanding is instances can block other instances from access, but I’m not super in the know about that.) Using the “all” button in search and browsing will open you up to other instance’s content vs the “local” button that keeps you in your “home country.”
I don’t understand entirely how to link out to other instances, but if you click a link and end up logged out on a different server, you can manually visit by adding the community to the end of your URL like so-
lemmy.world/c/technology@lemmy.ml
This will keep you on lemmy.world and ensure you’re “just visiting” where you’re trying to go. Once everyone has a better grasp this shouldn’t be a problem but I’ve run into this issue a few times.
Cliffs Notes-
Instances (lemmy.ml, lemmy.ml, lemm.ee, etc) are top level “countries” and run things as they see fit
Communities (/c/puppies, /c/lemmy.world, etc) are “cities” bound by instance administration and can exist on multiple instances completely independently of eachother, like how London, England exists independently of London, France.
If you run into trouble visiting communities on other instances, manually navigate with lemmy.world/c/commname@instance.url (or lemmy.ml/c/commname.url if you’re registered on lemmy.ml, etc etc.)
Sorry for the wall, hope it’s at all helpful lol.
It was helpful. Thank you for the analogies.
Extremely helpful, thank you.
So if I’m understanding correctly, each lemmy instance is effectively it’s own forum/reddit, and being part of a lemmy instance gives us a passport to visit and interact with other lemmy instances, yeah?
And after us as individuals are more established and connected, we’ll naturally start to join and “import” communities within our home insurance and other Lemmy instances.
So, one final question, won’t this model lead to like, heavy fragmentation of communities? There’s pros and cons to that, but if I’m a fan of d&d, there will be a d&d community on many lemmy instances, and each of those would only be connected by visiting lemmy users that join multiple instances of the d&d community on different lemmy instances, right?
Out of curiosity. What are the other Reddit clones you’re talking about? I moved here because this is the reddit-like system I found first.
Tildes is the main one I’m aware of but I’ve read of a few others that I don’t recall the names of.
Here is that post: https://lemmy.world/post/37906
For any Jerboa (or other app) users, @ruud is referring to the web-UI, not the independent app interface.
As if there was only one subreddit per interest anyway, sheesh.
I think it’s likely people will flock to one server (I came to this one since it was fastest growing) but thanks to federation, popular communities on other servers could still be accessed – it’s awesome!
I think it’s just going to become Reddit because nobody will shut the fuck up about it not being Reddit, if it does I’ll just leave this too lmao. “We came here because there’s no singular central archive NOW MAKE EVERYTHING FEED A CENTRAL ARCHIVE”
If you go to the areas where people are suggesting features, it’s almost 100% “please implement my personal favorite feature from my personalized Reddit experience.”
Now, I’m going to say that wanting the features you found useful in your old social media is a perfectly reasonable desire, but it’s the Dev’s job to make sure all the feature and UI changes are self-consistent and not overload for the user. So, naturally a bunch of requests are going to have to be ignored, at least for the time being.
If Lemmy continues to get more popular and more 3rd party reddit app devs make Lemmy apps like what RiF is doing that’ll probably have a lot of people satisfied. I like Jebroah but I’d definitely love to see Baconreader for Lemmy.
Jerboah seems okay, though I do miss Sync. Keep getting weird Java exception toasts here and there that I believe are causing my votes to not register/comments to not post, though.
I’m hoping Slide for Reddit gets resurrected and ported over to be Slide for Lemmy
I would love to see Baconreader as well. The only app that’s perfect for scrolling through posts while laying down. Just swipe.
Same here, I’ve been using it for over a decade.
The RiF dev is making a Lemmy app?
I may be wrong about that, I just heard rumors. I think at least one 3rd party reddit app dev is.
What’s going on with RIF? That was my go to.
same
I’ve never contributed to open source projects before, is it open to community contributions? (as in could I go pick up a feature request and make a pull request for it?)
Yes! The devs would have to accept your pull request for it to be merged into the main instance, but even if they don’t, you don’t have to use the main instance, you can spin up your own which you build out whatever features you want on.
I love this thing that people forget about open source. Like the whole FreeCAD community, there’s a whole group of people who don’t even use the vanilla UI–because they don’t have to, haha! Of course, it does take skill, but if you’re skilled enough to make pull request…
I am a shitty programmer, and I would never want most of what I do to go anywhere near Main.
But as you said, I have a few things that I run as forks, with my own little tweaks.
Yes! Many people are joining right now, you can too. Pick Lemmy itself or one of the apps! There is also Tafkars, they are trying to replicate the reddit api for Lemmy. The goal is to make 3rd party reddit apps compatible with lemmy.
besides the whole decentralised nature which is a plus anyway
Fun until you realize that other instances can block other big instances from accessing them. Ex. Beehaw defederated lemmy.world: https://beehaw.org/post/567170
And sadly for mainstream users, federation is too complicated compared to single instance :/
Wow I almost joined yeehaw instead of here… They seem too quick to block other instances
It’s not a surprise people joined those instances – yeehaw required approval. To many people that means “wait 24 hours” so they went elsewhere
Not just that, but from what I saw they also require you to write a motivation explaining why you want to join. I always find it extremely hard to write down that kind of stuff in my native language, let alone English. Wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of people are put off by that as well.
And no nutbag greedyass CEO either
I was excited to see this had 1200 upvotes then it changed to 3 and now it’s just showing random numbers. I’m not even mad.
It keeps changing!
It seems to have settled at ~900 for me.
It’s lemmy’s way of telling you karma is an artificial construct and you shouldn’t put too much value in it!
LOL it’s like the lottery balls 🤣
I’ve also noticed that for new submissions
You guys see upvotes?
Really makes it obvious how much content gets reposted by bots on that site. There really isnt as much original content being posted there as you might think.
I feel like this is more a user/uncertainty issue right now. Reddit still has a lot more users than Lemmy, I feel like a lot of communities are spread across different instances (am I saying that right?), so no ones knows which will be ‘the main one’, and I think a lot of users are still looking around, watching and learning how Lemmy works, before fully committing and posting like they did on Reddit. I know I am.
That’s the boundary to break I guess - it really doesn’t matter which instance you’re on; the communities are all the same.
And before someone says ‘but the duplicate communities’ point me to an example and I’ll tell you which one will last to become the community. (Or I’ll point out the quadruplicate sub-reddit equivalents.)
How about /c/formula1@lemmy.ml or /c/formula1@lemmy.world?
The lemmy.world one.
I don’t know man I’m enjoying it the way it is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Does the arm not fall off anymore?
not if you escape it properly
Looked at the source, can confirm only one right arm!
I’m legit excited about that lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, I feel this. I wont make communities since I’m not the moderator type. But I will make an effort to post which in my case is a step up since I mostly lurk.
Nice! Contribute literally anything, it all helps. 10 year reddit lurker here, also making an effort to bring something to the table. Until it gets busy. Then I’ll fade into the background again :)
I’ve actually had a great time making posts and contributing to conversations here. Everyone on these new subs wants to get the ball rolling, so any input usually brings something to the table. !Motorcycles went from 17 subs and 0 posts 5 days ago…to 230 subs now and a page full of posts and comments.
Same homie! Before I post on Reddit I look for my comment in the swaths of bots. It’s just not fun anymore.
It takes a little getting used to but I’m liking it more and more. Even with it’s quirks.
Same, I think I’ll be comfortable here.
Even with ti’s quirks.
Absolutely same.
Absolutely. I think the quirks are cool, makes it feel more new and fresh
Actually doing well, Lemmy seems like my kinda place.
Me too, not too crazy busy yet, but basically that Reddit feel from 10 years ago for me when I started using it.
Im pretty happy here so far, Ive even replaced my RIF app space with Jerboa.
I did the same
Not sure how I got here though. It has something to do with Spider-Man, I think…
I think a group of guys like us should team up. Could do some good…
First day was hard and I was trying to check what’s going on in the remaining subreddits, but now on day 2 I don’t even wanna go there and prefer lemmy for sure. It feels more pure here.
This, first day was just a quick learning curve. I feel like I can navigate lemmy better now.
Also, lemmy looks more promising in the long run. Let’s say spez goes back and even makes the API FOC (impossible). He’ll still plan some major bs in the future.
The whole lying and now insinuating users would attack employees over a logo is just too far. He showed no love for the community nor for the contributors of reddit’s success.
Unless lemmy is dead, I won’t be returning to reddit.\I checker out reddit, most of it now is suggestion of the subreddits still open…
Since I’m not going to download reddit official I’m using reddit while I still can to learn Lemmy lol. Trying to find my subs here.
Yeah, that’s the “fun” part. I’m mostly on Jerboa (the Android app) and for some reason the search function doesn’t pick up all the communities. So for some things I’ve had to log on desktop if I wanted to find and subscribe to a community.
https://browse.feddit.de is the best way to find new communities atm
I like https://lemmyverse.net/ to find new communities.
Lemmy seems awesome so far!
Dunno, the UI isn’t great and having multiple communities that cover essentially the same topic spread across multiple instances doesn’t seem very useful, but maybe I just need some time do adjust
OTOH, federated instances don’t have to deal with squatters who reserve a sub name solely for the purpose of blocking its use.
True that. Maybe Lemmy could add something like multi reddits where communities from multiple instances can be aggregated client-side to be shown as one. Speaking of which, that sounds like an awesome feature to add to an app. I’d love to see the big reddit apps just moving to Lemmy
Long live the federation!
Live long and prosper.
🖖
