• @Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    169•4 months ago

    Nice meme.

    However, couldn’t also Eärendil be considered?

    Edit: found another possibility:

    Legolas is the geographically-closest “elf-prince” to Erebor, where the coat was found. But it’s made of mithril, and that can’t be found in Erebor.

    So it was probably forged in Moria. The mithril was definitely mined there. We don’t know exactly when, but we know Moria bordered not one, but two elf-kingdoms (Lorien and Eregion).

    Elrond was Gil-galad’s right hand elf, and probably could have claimed the title of high king after the Last Alliance, although he didn’t. He also lived in Eregion for a while, and met his wife in Lorien. He had two sons, both born well before Moria fell to the balrog.

    Conclusion: it was forged either for Elladan or Elrohir. They wore it, outgrew it, and gave it back to Durin’s folk, who then brought it with them into exile.

    • The Picard ManeuverOPEnglish
      115•4 months ago

      I swear I learn more about LOTR from comment sections under memes than anywhere else.

    • teftEnglish
      28•4 months ago

      Earendil was born in the first age so he wouldn’t count but Elrond’s kids for sure count. I’m not sure Legolas would count since we don’t know when he was born. People assume he was born in the third age because of context clues but Tolkein never stated when Legolas was born.

      • CaptainBlagbirdEnglish
        6•4 months ago

        Why does the first age not count?

        Durin the 1st founded Khazad-dûm/Moria after he looked into the Mirrormere. That was some time in the First Age.

        Edit: Oh I see, if we assume Erebor as the origin place, then it would probably be in the Second or Third Age.

    • frustratedphagocytosis
      13•4 months ago

      Do you need to forge things where the materials are mined? Was there no interstate commerce in this universe?

  • observantTrapeziumEnglish
    51•4 months ago

    Funny but not so accurate. We don’t actually know when Legolas was born, we don’t know that the mithril coat was actually forged in Erebor (it could certainly have been brought during the resettlement from the Grey Mountains), and we don’t know what “some young elf-prince long ago” actually means and that none was born since the fouding of Erebor (I don’t think we have an exhaustive list of noble elves from the text).

  • Transporter Room 3English
    48•4 months ago

    I mean, the real reason is that Tolkien simply hadn’t thought that far around the story yet, so the line wasn’t meant to be referring to Legolas.

    I choose to believe it though.

  • @ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    37•4 months ago

    My serious interpretation is that “prince” here isn’t being used literally to describe the son of a hereditary ruler. Elven lives are so long that they can’t possibly have traditions associated with a king dying and his son becoming the new king. Therefore I think “prince” means an exceptional elf, not the king but someone worthy to rule.

    (A counter-argument: the mail fits Frodo because it was made for a child. A child wouldn’t be called a prince unless he literally was one. My reply: hobbits are short but stocky. Armor made for a slender adult elf could fit a hobbit, although it would be longer on him than it was on the elf - a chain hauberk rather than a chain shirt.)