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    9 months ago

    “found dead” along with paramedics and a burned out ambulance. WHO KILLED THEM, THE GUARDIAN?

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    9 months ago

    Im sick to my stomach.How can anyone with a sliver of humanity justify this.

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    9 months ago

    Fuck Hamas for caring less of their people. Fuck Hamas for using their people as shields. Come out and fight directly if you were not cowards.

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      Stop lying to yourself.

      Israel targets children and paramedics because they want to inflict maximum suffering. That’s it. There are no human shields.

      Hamas is underground! These bombs are just striking surface targets. It’s such an obvious lie and the fact that you believe it makes me hate you.

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          Absolute lie.

          Hamas is underground, the bombs don’t penetrate. Israel just wants to inflict maximum carnage to force Gaza to become uninhabitable so they all either leave or die. This is a campaign of genocide, not self defense.

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              They usually only leave ge tunnels to sabotage tanks and kill soldiers. Do you just believe anything the IDF tells you with no questions?

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                Considering enough mainstream news agencies have needed to make retractions based on reports from Hamas, yes I would believe the IDF anytime over Hamas.

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                  And you aren’t considering the number of mainstream news agencies that have debunked claims by the IDF.

                  Remember when Al Shifa was supposed to be a Hamas base? Remember when there were those 40 beheaded babies? Remember the woman that was supposedly cut open and had her fetus ripped out and then beheaded? All lies.

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      You do realise that it is Israeli soldiers who killed this girl and the paramedics that were sent to save her, after their safe passage was granted by the same (most moral) Israelian army, right? And even though they knew that they still killed this girl and the paramedics?

      And in a perfect world, this incident would be thoroughly investigated and the responsible would get effective sentences which would serve as a deterrent for other soldiers. But I guess we aren’t living in a perfect world, and the responsibles would not be punished. And yes, this blood and a lot more blood of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians is on the hands of the IDF and their government.

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        And in a perfect world, mistakes would not be made and every bullet would have a self destruct if it was aimed towards someone innocent.

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          I really wonder if this was your daughter if you would still defend the actions of Israel and say what you said.

          And yes, Israel as a “lawful” country has the obligations to do everything in their power to prevent the civilian casualties and to alleviate the suffering to the global population making sure that there is a constant stream of humanitarian aid, safe zones are established within the enclave where all those people can have access to healthcare, food and water.

          And please tell me which of this Israel has actually achieved, because in my books they failed at everything and launched a vendetta towards the whole population of Gaza. They have absolutely no plan for what to do after the war is over.

          Heck they even killed three of their own, who were waving a white flag and were shirtless. Another mistake, right. It is all part of the game.

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            Pretty sure I would hate them. Doesn’t make me in the right. But I also would fight against my government putting me in this position. Fuck Hamas.

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      9 months ago

      Fuck you coward for hiding your support of genocide, settler-colonialism, apartheid, and white supremacy behind “HhhchaMaS”.

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      Hamas was not the one that killed her. And they weren’t using her as a shield whatsoever. Israel killed her AND targeted the ambulance they were fully aware was coming to save her, since they agreed to let it go and get her, but then killed the paramedics when they got there.

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      Yeah no. Killing this small child was a choice.

      I blame the actual people who chose to kill her.

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          I don’t blame the country for defending themself.

          Lmao…yes, defending themselves by bombing an ambulance that came to rescue a 6-year old.

          If an army needs to “defend themselves” from that, then how weak are they?

          That girl was killed by an army of monsters. There was no self-defense involved in this killing whatsoever.

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          I don’t buy it. Hamas are not the only terrorists in the world.

          Most everyone else manages to defend themselves without slaughtering thousands of children and medical staff.

          Shooting a car of civilians was a choice. Bombing an ambulance that came to save the child was a choice.

          Those are deliberate choices, and those actions are internationally designated as war crimes for good reason.

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            Is there any other country in the world that is completely surrounded by hostile governments that have nearly all at one time threatened to run them into the sea? And acted on it at one time? If someone comes into my house and kills my daughters then threatened to do it again, ya I will go after them. I don’t care if they hide behind those they say they are acting for.

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              ya I will go after them. I don’t care if they hide behind

              If you’re actually saying that in a hypothetical situation where someone kills your family member, you will indiscriminately murder bystanders and medical staff to get to them.

              That just makes you sound like a loose cannon. Anyone who actually did that would rightly go to prison.

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                If no one else is willing to bring them to justice and the people that killed my family are enabled by those in that house, then fucking ya they all have some degree of guilt.

                And if you do this with children involved and hide behind them, their death is on you.

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                  What “house.” This is just random people and medical staff.

                  You would shoot a child if someone was behind them? I’m a bit disturbed by what you’re telling me.

                  But I guess I can see how your morality aligns with those you support.

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      This child was not Hamas. The ambulance was not Hamas.

      If anyone should understand the horrors of genocide it’s the Jewish people. This is the same level of nightmare the world watched in horror in the 1940s.

      This is madness.

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        Yes nearly every country has ran the Jews out of the country. There is no country in the middle East that has even a fraction of Jewish people leaving there compared to how many Palestinians live in Israel. Who is at risk of genocide?

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          Idk probably the people being disproportionately bombed and killed right now? Why do zionists always try to make Israel into some sort of state full of victims while they’re the more powerful?

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      9 months ago

      Fight directly? Where? Gaza is the most densely packet place on earth. Even if Hamas wanted to “fight in the open” it would still be on someone’s deck yard. Plus it’s bombs fired from miles away.

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      Fuck Hamas leadership for starting the bloodbath and fuck Israel leadership for diving into it like pigs in a shitpit. Palestinians are nothing more than cost of business for both groups. I understand why Palestinians and Israelis would Join the fight, but they are both targetting the wrong people. And fuck everybody who would think I support either side. I support people not being killed.