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  • It should.

    But it isn’t.

    So why don’t we try to get Kamala away from that conservative policy? It gets the votes to beat trump and we end up with a president who’s policy aligns more closely with the Dem voter base.

    It’s literally a win/win, why spend time yelling at people to vote (when we know that’s not effective) instead of trying to get Kamala to move to the left and get the votes?

    When we know that’s effective

    If Biden hadn’t been pulled left in 2020, he wouldn’t have beat trump.





  • “We are in a moment where our community is suffering and hurting in more ways than we can count. We have also seen four years under a Trump presidency and what that did to our community, and the risks that come with that,” said a spokesperson for Arab Americans for Harris-Walz. “We’re not saying that with a Harris administration there is no risk, but under a Trump administration, the risk is much higher. We believe [backing Harris] is a more favorable path forward for us here in the United States and in our home countries.”

    It’s not too late, Kamala can pivot to the left and pledge to obey the Lehey law.

    If she does, then Israel either changes their behavior or they stop getting any military aid/arms from America.

    That’s all that needs done, Kamala to pledge to follow the law.

    It’s not a big ask from voters, and it would hand her the votes she needs in the states she needs to win the election.





  • i just doubt that you know better than they do.

    If you look at who “they” are, it’s mostly the people who couldn’t beat trump in 2016 and barely beat him in 2020 after Sanders drug them kicking and screaming to the left in the primary

    We didn’t get that this year, no one is dragging Kamala left…

    They’re not “the best at what they do” except in raising donations, seriously, look I to the people running shit, they’re in positions of power because they brought in the most money, they’re always going to side with the money because their metric is how much they can bring in.

    It is not a good way to run a political party, and most voters don’t even know it’s happening.



  • Fair enough, but I’d wager she has a lot more understanding of how things work than a bunch of random outraged people in a far corner social media platform.

    Except we’re talking about potential Harris voters, and they’re not exactly being shy about what they want…

    Because if it’s not genocide, it’ll be something else. I guarantee it. They do this shit every election.

    Yes, it’s not just one single issue, I’ve listed a bunch of different examples already…

    100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. Let that sink in. How many of them were butthurt and outraged single issue idealists do you think?

    Yes, and it should scare the shit out of everyone that the same people who ran the DMC and Dem campaign in 2016 are running the DNC and campaign in 2024 and doing the same stupid shit.

    We agree on what’s important.

    You’re just blaming voters, and I’m blaming the people running the party and campaign.


  • It’s too late in the game

    You keep saying that…

    It’s what people said about replacing Biden too, then we replaced Biden.

    Kamala has up till the last vote is cast to try and beat Trump, not a second earlier is “too late”.

    Even if it’s after the election tho, we can’t just pay attention once every four years and hope things magically got better.

    It’s an ongoing neverending fight, so by definition it’s literally never “too late”.

    The lobbyists never stop, the fascists never stop, why do you want the people to stop?


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    I remember people pissed at DNC in 2016 got us Trump the first time.

    Other people would blame Clinton’s campaign for refusing to move to the left to get more votes.

    They had a very “vote for me or fuck you” approach, much like OP’s meme.

    But when looking at exit polling, progressives showed up and voted D like we always do. Clinton lost by slim margins in a couple of important battleground states she mostly ignored.

    And I’m not saying all that to bring up old wounds, it’s because Hillary’s people became Bidens people who became Kamala’s.

    They’re still the ones making these policy decisions that are wildly unpopular.

    They shouldn’t be in charge still, but they are.



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    But I guarantee you the Harris campaign has done the cost-benefit analysis. They could be wrong because nothing in politics is 100%, we’ll just have to see.

    Are you not aware of the overlap with the 2016 and 2020 campaigns?

    2020 we won by literally tens of thousands of votes, it worked but just barely and mostly because trump was already in office.

    The people running this campaign and the dnc don’t know what the fuck they’re doing. They’ve locked in as donations as a metric and only chase that one single metric, even to the point of ignoring votes.

    It’s ok to criticize them, we’re not Republicans



  • The best way to get Kamala more votes is to vote for Kamala. Full stop. End of arguments.

    Yes.

    I am voting for Kamala, she has 100% of the votes I control.

    But we are talking about how to get the most other people to vote her.

    We can do that by screaming at them that they should, but we’d have to do that to tens of millions of people.

    Or…

    We could try and get Kamala to move to the left, which would get her more votes and the added benefit of better policy.

    Like, which do you think would be more effective?

    . Either you’re voting for her, or you’re not

    And I don’t know know why I have to keep saying this: I’m already voting D, we’re talking about the people who aren’t.


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    What gets me is how none of you have ever offered a single point to support anyone else that is viable

    No one else is viable…

    But we’re talking about the best way to get Kamala more votes to stop trump.

    That is by pulling her to the left

    All you do is complain, and offer nothing

    If you don’t think making noise online can have an effect, why are we talking about Harris right now and not Biden?

    There’s still time to pull Kamala left, get her more votes, and not only beat trump but the increased turnout would help down allot in the House/Senate

    It’s not over, and even after the election it won’t be over. Even when she’s in office, next election is 2 years, we can’t afford to let the only people influencing Kamala being donors and Republicans.


  • The problem is that the broader Democratic electorate is a much bigger tent, with overall much more moderate politics, than online leftists are typically willing to admit

    Polls show progressive policy isn’t just popular with Dems, but all voters…

    That’s life mate, I’m sorry it doesn’t agree with your opinions, but it’s the truth.

    That’s why Obama’s 08 campaign did so fucking well, despite not really being that progressive in any other developed country.

    The neoliberal experiment has only benefited the wealthy, stop defending them, they got lawyers and lobbyists for them, pick people over corps and we can get something done.


  • The only way to move the country left is to do whatever you can to get the most left-leaning viable candidate elected. Over time this pushes the whole electorate left.

    The last Dem president before neoliberalism was Jimmy Carter like 50 years ago

    Would you say that the current strategy has paid off?

    If not, how many more decades before we start thinking the people running the party are at best idiots who shouldn’t be running a lemonade stand?