• magnetosphere
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    I’m a white, cis, heterosexual American male. I’m supposed to be privileged in every way, feel endlessly guilty over things I cannot control and try not to perpetuate, and never, ever dare suggest any kind of dissatisfaction with my situation.

    I wouldn’t know how to express my feelings the way the author has. I’d feel like a misogynistic neckbeard, callous racist, or ungrateful whiner. If, somehow, I didn’t feel these things, someone would quickly, loudly, and condescendingly remind me that I should. They’d then be applauded for putting me in my place.

    I can’t thank the author enough for writing this article.

    • @homoludens@feddit.de
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      2411 months ago

      I’m supposed to be privileged in every way, feel endlessly guilty over things I cannot control and try not to perpetuate, and never, ever dare suggest any kind of dissatisfaction with my situation.

      Why are you supposed to e.g. “feel endlessly guilty over things you cannot control”?

      • @USSMojave
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        3911 months ago

        Yeah, just because we’re encouraged to understand our privilege doesn’t mean we’re supposed to feel guilty about it. That doesn’t serve anyone.

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          It’s generally just people not being able to accept being wrong about something. They take it as a personal insult and hit to their pride rather than just going oh? Verify? Oh shit, neat.

          Instead it’s I must be a piece of shit. Other people must not like me now. They must be talking about me…

          Mother fucker nobody paying attention to you but MAYBE yourself and MAYBE your closest loved ones lol.

          If you walk around in life with a chip on your back, everything becomes an insult though. It’s the literal republican modus operandi primed mostly through religion via guilt.

          • magnetosphere
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            211 months ago

            Fortunately, it’s not anger in my case. It’s “just” poor self esteem and a tendency to feel guilt for things that I know (rationally, at least) aren’t my fault.

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              Yeah it’s definitely a hard habit to break. Largely depending on how you were raised with a bit of natural tendencies here and there.

              It absolutely is a mindset though. One which you can get out of given enough challenge, time, patience, and professional help if you’re not good with executive function.

        • Neato
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          1211 months ago

          “Check your privilege” has only ever meant that people want others to understand how situations and histories might be different. White guilt is a thing white people made up to make it about them.

        • magnetosphere
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          611 months ago

          You’re completely right. It doesn’t serve anyone, but the feeling is there anyway. I have a history of feeling guilty about stuff that’s not my fault.

      • magnetosphere
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        411 months ago

        People who share some of my characteristics have historically done, and are currently doing, absolutely horrible things. Empathy with the victims isn’t enough for some. I’m part of the problem simply by being born, until I prove otherwise.

        I can’t blame people who feel some suspicion and resentment, either. It’s justified.

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          I’m part of the problem simply by being born, until I prove otherwise.

          Again: who is saying that? I’m sure there are some people who do, but in my experience that’s a really tiny minority. And the majority of texts I read about e.g. (male) privilege explicitly state that being privileged does not mean you’re guilty or a bad person.

          I can’t blame people who feel some suspicion and resentment, either. It’s justified.

          I mean yeah, I can understand why a women might prefer to walk on the other side of the street from me at night. It hurts of course, but I understand it. That doesn’t mean I need to feel guilty about it though.

          • magnetosphere
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            511 months ago

            What I’m saying is confusing and irrational. I appreciate that you’re trying to understand.

            I know that what I feel isn’t healthy or productive. It doesn’t make sense, but it sticks with me.

          • @Solemn@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            311 months ago

            Honest question, what’re your thoughts on the racial reparations discussion? I was surprised to hear that it exists tbh, mostly cause of how impossible it seems as a target. But my understanding is that there are people getting some real attention saying that white people should give enough money that they can’t pay their bills to make up for their privilege.

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              I haven’t heard of it. In Germany there is some discussion about reparations for societies colonized by Germany, the genocides against the Herero and Namaqa and every once about further reparations for the Nazi crimes - all of which make a lot of sense to me, especially the former two as they haven’t received any significant reparations that I know of.

          • @cnnrduncan@beehaw.org
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            I’m not American but the minister for Family/Sexual Violence in my country publicly said that “it is white, cis men” who “cause[s] violence in the world”. Was pretty gutted to find out that my ex (cis woman) treating me like shit is entirely my own fault according to the MP who is supposed to represent all victims of family, sexual, and relationship violence.

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          But that doesn’t mean you have to feel guilty. That’s, usually at least, not what people are asking for either. Guilt isn’t helpful.

          Being aware of the social systems we live under, the power structures those systems create, and the blind spots we might have. That’s what’s being asked for.

          • magnetosphere
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            No, it isn’t helpful. Part of that guilt comes from not being able to do enough. Yeah, I try to learn as much as possible, but that only goes so far. I’m not rich. I’m not powerful. There’s so much injustice that I want to change, but can’t.

            I know logically that guilt is useless, but the feeling persists.

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      311 months ago

      feel endlessly guilty over things I cannot control and try not to perpetuate, and never, ever dare suggest any kind of dissatisfaction with my situation.

      Because of things our ancestors did long ago that has nothing to do with us right now as people.

      • magnetosphere
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        311 months ago

        Yup. Exasperating, I know. It isn’t reasonable or healthy, but I feel that way anyway.

    • SokathHisEyesOpen
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      I didn’t feel these things, someone would quickly, loudly, and condescendingly remind me that I should. They’d then be applauded for putting me in my place.

      Those people are racist, sexists. If they didn’t have you to target, they’d find another group. Don’t give them the time of day.