Highest single-day casualty number yesterday. 1380 Russian soldiers in a day. This may have been part of it. I feel sorry for each individual soldier and their families, they likely had no real choice and were between a rock and a hard place. But as long as they continue attacking, Ukraine has every right to kill or at least repel them by force. War is a terrible, awful business, any way you look at it.
Thanks for the civil reply. I absolutely see your point. I do not have any first-hand (or even second-hand) information on that. I assume that conscripts who refuse to be drafted are most likely not shot, but imprisoned, although once on the battlefield, lured under false pretext, that may be a different story. I have a hard time, too, imagining a single conscript leaving his unit is called to surrender to the Ukrainian forces, especially when involved in a senseless assault on a stronghold.
Those that have a choice, and those that commit such atrocities, I agree, they don’t deserve pity. But many will have some dignity left, and once in battle have little realistic chance to “just stop”. We must be very careful not to vilify people solely based on their membership in a group. Each one deserves to be judged individually, when possible.
Kill them if they attack, or enable an attack, yes (this includes logistics far behind the lines: legitimate targets!), because it’s a matter of survival of you, your comrades, and your country, but still recognise them as humans. Once going down the path of dehumanising the enemy, Ukraine will lose the moral high ground, which is paramount in maintaining the right to receive help from the civilised world.
I don’t believe in “destroying Russia”, besides its practical impossibility. Unlike Nazi Germany, Russia does have the ultimate doomsday weapon, and might use it if really threatened existentially (to paraphrase some propagandists: “If there is no place for Russia in this world, why should there be a world?”). That said, I have absolutely no idea how to deal with Russia. None. Every conceivable solution is terrible.
@DrGeraintLLanfrancheta@Hopfgeist@NoiseColor Exactly. Russian soldiers forced into the war have an escape route into surrender.
They don’t, because they just love to kill and work on creating the apocalypse.
@DrGeraintLLanfrancheta@Hopfgeist@NoiseColor Hello Geraint, of course you are right. I am highly emotional when it comes to russian mega-terrorism.
What needs deeper investigation is the psyche of the russian society. I think that hundreds of years of bondage in feudalism, wars, state terror and indoctrination and the lack of freedom, the lack of the experience of democracy plus living in a gangster society have brutalized and dehumanized the russian mind.
@Hopfgeist@NoiseColor A normal human being would have surrendered. Russians have deeply distorted souls. They only know death and destruction. So you may be the only person who feels sorry.
I don’t now, but it looked like they were trying to get everyone killed. Insane clusterf*k.
Highest single-day casualty number yesterday. 1380 Russian soldiers in a day. This may have been part of it. I feel sorry for each individual soldier and their families, they likely had no real choice and were between a rock and a hard place. But as long as they continue attacking, Ukraine has every right to kill or at least repel them by force. War is a terrible, awful business, any way you look at it.
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Thanks for the civil reply. I absolutely see your point. I do not have any first-hand (or even second-hand) information on that. I assume that conscripts who refuse to be drafted are most likely not shot, but imprisoned, although once on the battlefield, lured under false pretext, that may be a different story. I have a hard time, too, imagining a single conscript leaving his unit is called to surrender to the Ukrainian forces, especially when involved in a senseless assault on a stronghold.
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Those that have a choice, and those that commit such atrocities, I agree, they don’t deserve pity. But many will have some dignity left, and once in battle have little realistic chance to “just stop”. We must be very careful not to vilify people solely based on their membership in a group. Each one deserves to be judged individually, when possible.
Kill them if they attack, or enable an attack, yes (this includes logistics far behind the lines: legitimate targets!), because it’s a matter of survival of you, your comrades, and your country, but still recognise them as humans. Once going down the path of dehumanising the enemy, Ukraine will lose the moral high ground, which is paramount in maintaining the right to receive help from the civilised world.
I don’t believe in “destroying Russia”, besides its practical impossibility. Unlike Nazi Germany, Russia does have the ultimate doomsday weapon, and might use it if really threatened existentially (to paraphrase some propagandists: “If there is no place for Russia in this world, why should there be a world?”). That said, I have absolutely no idea how to deal with Russia. None. Every conceivable solution is terrible.
@Hopfgeist @DrGeraintLLanfrancheta Did soviet union had doomsday weapon?
Sure, they’re called thermonuclear weapons, aka “H-bomb”. City-killers. Many hundreds of them.
@DrGeraintLLanfrancheta @Hopfgeist @NoiseColor Exactly. Russian soldiers forced into the war have an escape route into surrender.
They don’t, because they just love to kill and work on creating the apocalypse.
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@DrGeraintLLanfrancheta @Hopfgeist @NoiseColor Hello Geraint, of course you are right. I am highly emotional when it comes to russian mega-terrorism.
What needs deeper investigation is the psyche of the russian society. I think that hundreds of years of bondage in feudalism, wars, state terror and indoctrination and the lack of freedom, the lack of the experience of democracy plus living in a gangster society have brutalized and dehumanized the russian mind.
@Hopfgeist @NoiseColor A normal human being would have surrendered. Russians have deeply distorted souls. They only know death and destruction. So you may be the only person who feels sorry.