• @Aidinthel@reddthat.com
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    177 months ago

    Trains carry cargo all the time. I don’t think it’s too crazy to suggest light rail be adapted to do the same.

    • NaibofTabr
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      -137 months ago

      And we’re going to build rails to every store, restaurant, and other business that needs cargo pickup & delivery? And run a train to each of them, every day? And you think that would end up being more efficient/environmentally friendly than trucks?

        • NaibofTabr
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          -147 months ago

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarGoTram

          The main route went from the logistics center in Friedrichstadt via Postplatz and Grunaer Straße to Straßburger Platz and finally on to the factory.

          This went from one logistics center to one production facility. It is insane to think that this could be a scalable solution.

          • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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            107 months ago

            Wow, a train line goes defunct in a country that heavily subsidizes car infrastructure and actively works against other modes of transportation. I’m shocked, really. Shocked.

            • NaibofTabr
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              -97 months ago

              I didn’t say anything about it going defunct. That has to be one of stupidest attempts at a straw man I’ve ever seen.

              I pointed out that it only ever carried material from one location to one other location, and that such a system would not be scalable to serving an entire city.

              Did you even read my comment?

              • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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                77 months ago

                Mh, why do you think it never grew beyond “one line serving one location”? 🤔

                We did have more extensive tram services transporting goods in the past: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Straßenbahn_in_Hannover#Güterstraßenbahn

                You know, before this country became the world’s largest car exporter and started to dismantle its train network…

                such a system would not be scalable to serving an entire city.

                Lol, nobody is talking about entire cities, but do go ahead talking about strawmen.

                  • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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                    77 months ago

                    The title is “cities need to be entirely served by trams for transporting goods”?

                    Are you sure you can actually read?

    • Hyperreality
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      Sorry. Good luck transporting a washing machine or full kitchen on public transport.

      • @homoludens@feddit.de
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        167 months ago

        Delivery of a full kitchen is not something that makes up the majority of traffic. I don’t think anyone is saying you can’t use a van for the “last mile” in such edge cases.

        Even washing machines can be delivered by cargo bike/trike though.

        • NaibofTabr
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          7 months ago

          How would you ‘use a van’ if the roads are “ripped out completely”?

          • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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            157 months ago

            You do understand nobody is talking about ripping out all roads everywhere, right?

            Right?

            • NaibofTabr
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              7 months ago

              It’s literally the title.

              I can’t even understand down voting this, unless you’re delusional.

              • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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                Oh, you’re basing your opinions on fact-twisting headlines of right-wing “newspapers”, instead of, you know, reading the actual article where even they have to paint the picture just a liiittle bit differently.

                You do understand the difference between “removing roads completely” and “removing all roads”, right?

                • NaibofTabr
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                  -77 months ago

                  You do understand the difference between “removing roads completely” and “removing all roads”, right?

                  What do you think the distinction is, in this context?

                  • @yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee
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                    107 months ago

                    Yeah, I can help you with that: “removing roads completely” does not specify how many roads are to be removed, only that the ones being removed are removed completely, as opposed to partially.

                    “Removing all roads” on the other hand means removing all roads, as opposed to, e.g., some, or many.

                    There, that was easy, wasn’t it?

                  • @GoodbyeBlueMonday
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                    27 months ago

                    One of the roads near my house was removed completely.

                    All roads near my house were removed completely.

                    Two different implications, no?

                    Yes, the title implies something more extreme than is actually proposed, but that’s why I read articles (usually) before commenting.

                • NaibofTabr
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                  -87 months ago

                  And which one is it that you think is being proposed to be “ripped out completely” in this article?

                  Based on your link, I believe in this context it is ‘streets’.

                  Well, just go back and read my arguments, and then recognize that all of them apply to ‘streets’, and that making the distinction between ‘streets’ and ‘roads’ does not weaken my arguments in any way.

                  Try a different approach, something besides pedantry.

                  • @homoludens@feddit.de
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                    57 months ago

                    Well, the expert is proposing to rip out roads - so my first guess would be they mean roads, not streets.

      • Daniel Quinn
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        127 months ago

        Have a look at the Netherlands friend. I’ve seen people towing dishwashers behind their bikes more than once while living there.

      • @chocoladisco@feddit.de
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        17 months ago

        You joke, but I have done this. Wheelchair accesible trams are awesome for this. Put appliance on hand truck walk it into the tram. No heavy lifting required like when loading it in a car.

          • @chocoladisco@feddit.de
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            17 months ago

            A cheap logistics hand truck carries weights up to 250kg. If you need more it become a bit annoying because you need to switch to using OSB Boards with casters.

            Source: My life and helping friends move.

            Bonus: Hand trucks are really convenient to transport full size kegs and CO2 bottles to parties by tram.