Please check my post, I think everything I said is very valid, but I want this community to see it too, and help steer the discussion, I think reddit is doing this intentionally.
I don’t want to visit that place anymore - could you please copy and paste the post here?
The point of this post is actually to get people to participate over there to stop the spread of misinformation, i’d appreciate it if you went over there with an adblocker, but if you insist:
I think there’s a team of people intentionally spreading lemmy misinformation. I think reddit is trying to get people not to switch from this platform
People are saying the same things everywhere, but on any analysis, they don’t actually make sense, let me give an example:
Lemmy is absolutely too convoluted for normal people. “There are multiple servers, many of which overlap with each other content-wise? Which one am I supposed to use? This isn’t as simple as reddit,” says the photographer who posted to /r/earthporn, says the politics junkie who posted in /r/worldnews, says the creative writer who posted to /r/nosleep.
There is no way to prevent this from happening again. It will happen again, no matter what. If Lemmy gets big, it will only do so if a couple servers rise above all others so the normies can understand that those are the servers to join… and those servers eventually will take advantage of their users just as reddit has done."
There’s no aspect of truth to this comment, as an example, let’s try actually doing what they’re saying is too hard:
click “communities”
search “news”
oh, there’s the one at the top with the most subscribers
Done
So, did they just make up that it was too convoluted for normal people? Yes. Is there some truth to the notion that there are multiple communities for the same thing… Also yes, but there are on reddit too, it’s no different than r/art and r/art1 r/art2 and the billion other subreddits in a similar position. People just search and then use the largest one… so is it an actual problem, or is it just grasping at straws? You be the judge of that.
Are there things that make lemmy difficult? Yes, but they’re rapidly being solved and extremely minimal, other than that issue tracker, the other thing that might stop you is that some lemmy instances require a message and approve signup, this is because they widely aren’t monetized and are run by volunteers with no intention of ever monetizing. Neither of these things are real blockers to normal human adoption, and neither of them are long-term fundamental issues.
If you think federation is too complex for normal users, I ask you, why does email face no such difficulty? Why is nobody complaining about how difficult email is because of federation?
The other issue is genuinely a problem, the lemmy developers are tankies… however, lemmy is released under an open source license, none of their ideology is being injected into the code, and this is akin to worrying about the ideology of the developers of email. Use an instance not created by them, and you’re safe from this entirely, I recommend https://beehaw.org/
Don’t let the misinformation factory stress you, I don’t have proof that reddit is doing this on purpose, but this seems to be a common set of lies… and if you don’t like lemmy anyway, there’s also kbin, which federates with lemmy but is made by completely separate developers.
Federation is NECESSARY for a non-corpo/government propaganda AND control ridden future. If reddit were federated, nobody would give a fuck about this api thing, because we’d just go to another instance, and all of our content would still be available on that other instance. That’s why reddit fears federation, none of the issues with lemmy are fundamental, let’s build a better future, one where we don’t have to hope a benevolent centralized monopoly/dictatorship on a community will work for us!
And lemmy is the only way to save these precious reddit apps: https://github.com/derivator/tafkars/tree/main/tafkars-lemmy
It’s the same rhetoric as the apple guy used to show sideloading in such light as it would rob your grandma by its own.
undefined> i’d appreciate it if you went over there
Please don’t. At least not until the 15th if you must. Personally I’ll continue to avoid it.
I don’t think it’s an issue if you’re using an adblocker and promoting a competitor.
It is. We want their usage stats to show that users are objecting to their plans rather than just mods and app developers.
If you manage to get at least one additional person off the platform, then it’s worth it.
If you manage to get two, it’s very worth it.
If you get none, then yes, you’ve wasted your time, but it’s not that hard to convince at least one person.
It’s not about wasting time and it’s not about trying to get users to come over to Lemmy today or tomorrow.
It’s about whether you contribute to the protest or not. If you log in to Reddit and start writing comments then you’ll be flagged as an active user for that day and will lessen the impact a small amount. If many did it as you’re suggesting we should then that will lessen the impact of the protest more.
It is. And how did you type that in a millisecond?
140 wpm baby
To challenge some of your replies, if those are welcome.
People do actually complain about email, quite often. Spam filters and deliverability are real challenges sometimes. Email also has a lot of gotchas that you can run into - like what happens when you lose control of a domain name? What happens if your email provider shuts down? Who actually owns the email - you or the provider? A lot of email protocol has inherent security and privacy issues too. I don’t know if I’d use email as the leading example. Phone networks or text messages might be a little more straightforward.
I also don’t think it’s entirely true that federation is strictly necessary. Wikimedia seems to run a lot of centralized services with large scale and large community with no federation. Tildes is a valid alternative to both Lemmy instances and Reddit with no federation. If Tildes for example went in a bad direction or became corrupted - it is open source. You could just start a new Tildes using the same source code. It isn’t federated, but does it have to be?
Gosh, I felt like I was going to make this post, albeit not from a username titled “communist” 😅 .
Now, I always implore anyone who’ll lend an ear - please, hold your horses on labeling devs as “tankies”. Let’s not instantly stamp them good or bad. Rather, let’s mull over the behavior of a community that decides its course of action based on whether it’s supposedly tainted by a particular ideology. Try to think of the bigger picture of how people act as a whole based on information and what those actions benefit.
Let’s level with each other here. The GPL? It’s got more than a dash of Marx, if you ask my humble self (and heck, I think that’s a good thing). But has that deterred folks from assembling magnificent creations under the banner of a collective project? So, where do we end up if we tread down this logical path? Do we forsake Open Source software, just because its bedrock principles share a striking resemblance with Socialism/Communism? Is this selective ideological litmus test the norm now? And what fuels this selective disposition?
Now, just imagine, if I were a bigwig at a deep-pocketed corporation, wouldn’t it be a walk in the park to sow the conspiracy that ALL Lemmy devs are rabid tankies (ALL of them, seriously? If I pitch in, does that make me a hardened communist?). Couple this with the palpable fear that Reddit might just bulldoze their way to victory, and voila, you’ve got a fearful, active amygdala ready to perceive an “enemy” - no matter how illogical. Outrage, my dear friends, is among the most contagious of emotions. Curiously enough, this entire conspiracy/misinformation hinges on just that - unbridled outrage.
It’s almost as if there’s no call for outrage, provided one possesses even a smidgen of understanding about open source development, its inherent messiness, and the swirling ideologies around it. Now, those are the nuggets worth pondering. But, who am I to say, right?
The problem with tankies has nothing to do with communism, i’m a communist, that’s not the problem at all.
The problem with tankies is that they’re authoritarian genocide deniers. The GPL doesn’t have any authoritarianism or genocide denial in it.
The LEAD DEV denies the genocide Uyghurs in china. It’s much worse than you’re assuming.
genocide Uyghurs in china
As a person who hasn’t really looked up the issue(I mean I have read about it on the net here n there, but have never dived into the issue deeply), I have seen people talking about it on both sides and I’m confused.
The main things I’m hearing from people who say that a genocide isn’t happening are:- That it’s their suppression of religion expressions being public and that people are not being genocided, but public religious expression is not greatly provided by China. That it’s similar to the stereotypes created against muslims after events like the World trade centre attack and it’s being exaggerated as genocide.
- That it’s just propaganda seen on English speaking forums to deface the other side and if an actual genocide was happening, the countries in Asia itself would be taking action and talking about it and currently only western countries who’re far away are talking about it the most. One side claims that it’s Western or Capitalist propagnada aimed to defame and the opposite side says that it’s Chinese or Communist propaganda aimed to whitewash.
Most of the times I’ve seen it, both sides accuse each other of being blinded by propaganda and the convo devolves there.
Which side is actually right here?
Yeah! Definitely, I understand that! But in my neck of the woods “tankies” are more just boogeymen that people throw around when they want to cast an entire group as immoral. It’s not that they don’t exist, but they aren’t gaining power either. It just seems like an appeal to fear (a reasonable one at that), but using illogical framing that doesn’t at all represent reality. That’s the fundemental crux of it for me. It may come to bite me in the future too! Growing up in conservative parts in the U.S. I’ve grown numb to people claiming others are communists - it comes across as more a technique for division than any real concern of community harm.
I’m not trying be an apologist for the devs opinions or detract from them as much as I’m trying to state that open source, and this project - given its git history - doesn’t appear to spread authoritarianism. I didn’t sign an agreement to violently seize the means of production upon cloning the repository. Had this information not been swirling around on reddit (and now lemmy) I would’ve never known that I had to “cancel” yet another thing.
I mean, personally, I’d rather fork it and make it into a vision that the people of Tucson want in their social media experience. Lemmy is a bit better architected, and I think the codebase is a bit more mature for such thing.
Great write-up and I think you hit the nail on the head, but I kind of wish you posted it with a different username.
I do hate that ancoms are associated with ML’s, totally unfair, but you’re right that does look bad.
I highly doubt Reddit is doing it intentionally. You’re talking to people who have chosen not to switch platforms, and so they’re giving you their rationalisations for it. The conspiracy theories aren’t necessary to explain the behaviour, people will find all sorts of excuses for resistance to change.
I don’t know why you’d give reddit the benefit of the doubt, they’ve been caught astroturfing many times.
I would agree. I’ve seen some sketchy comments about lemmy on reddit. I’ve set them straight when I see them. But, I am not using reddit anymore, so that’s that. Spend the focus here, growing the community instead
Yes, but, the problem is, I think we NEED to convince the sync and apollo devs to join lemmy if we want really good phone clients asap, and if they see this BS, they might think they shouldn’t.
Infinity, btw, is the app we need here ;-)
