Thanks George Washington Carver
Oxalic acid is a normal part of the metabolic process. Your body literally creates it during digestion. Avoiding all oxalic acid intake is a nutrition myth and is basically impossible anyway. Fruits contain it, vegetables contain it, grains contain it. You eat it constantly. This person was already severely unhealthy if they gave themselves NAFLD and kidney stones. More likely the crap peanut butter OP was eating was full of preservatives and icing sugar and OP is probably chronically dehydrated.
“A pound or two each week”
Thats your problem right there. The next step up from peanut butter, in terms of calories (particularly fats) per kg is actual butter or lard. Its about 50% fat.
I imagine the rest is second hand regurgitation of info they dont really understand.
As a gym rat and bicyclist i was having health issues. No drugs or alcohol. Lots of supplements.
I went oxalate free on a zero carb diet for several years and it fixed my auto immune disorder. I lost 30 pounds of muscle in the process because of a loss in appetite. I slowly readded foods into my diet. Turned out that I couldn’t handle salicylates in large amounts. It’s in most plants as well. 3% of the population shares my intolerance. We can’t eat spices or herbs.
All humans have individual variances in our ability to process plant toxins. There’s a reason why some people are more prone to kidney stones than others. It doesn’t mean someone is unhealthy.
A pound or two a week sounds kind of moderate? I mean it’s a lot, but if you like peanut butter? I don’t eat nearly that much of it on average, but when I buy a 1 pound jar I usually finish it off in much less than a week. It’s just an occasional thing for me though.
Are those oxalates only if the PB is getting spoiled or anything like that?
Its the consistency with which they would eat at least a pound of it a week that caused the problem.
Quite how something thats 50% fat can be sold as a health food is the real puzzle here.
There’s always cookie dough as alternative.
It’s my go-to when I run out of peanut butter.
“I eat relatively healthy”
“Sometimes my only food in the entire day is peanut butter”
Relative to my diet, that is pretty healthy.
Natural peanut butter is very healthy. But of course it shouldnt be the only thing you eat
I honestly don’t care what food it is. If all you eat in a day is quinoa, that’s unhealthy. It’s not the food, but eating just one food type in a day is unhealthy.
I have a niece who is literally obese (>30 BMI) and her mother (also obese, even more so) frequently describes her daughter as a “healthy eater” despite the fact that her diet mainly consists of cake and ice cream, in enormous amounts. She considers it “healthy” because it’s all organic from Whole Foods.
Or maybe “healthy eater”, not someone who has a healthy diet
Healthy eater as in eating other healthier people.
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They were just unwilling to share their peanut butter.
And if they did, they wouldn’t have had all that peanut butter to eat and destroy their liver. Think ahead, people.
They deserve credit for warning everyone about a situation people might not have realized was dangerous. Damn.
Something doesn’t add up to me. That is not a ridiculous amount of peanut butter for one week. We would hear about this more than some random reddit post if it was real.
2 lbs of peanut butter is roughly 1.7 to 2 cups of peanut butter. That’s quite a bit for one week.
If that was a problematic amount half of /r/gainit would be dead by now
I had something similar happen to me, but instead of pounds of peanut butter i was substituting lunch for trail mix too often. One day I was passing white flakes that hurt like hell and it would come in waves if I tried eating any sort of nuts after. It’s not peanut allergies, it takes a few days or so to feel these sharp cramps then I will be doubled over the next day. It looks like my bladder had dandruff.
I read it had to do with nut oils, and citrus supposedly counteracts it, so I eat oranges like mad if I ever feel it coming back and so far I haven’t dealt with it again since. I’m really not the type to go over my diet or look into health things like this, but holy hell it hurt and that seems to be the why and also the how to help.
That is what they’re admitting to, I think we can assume it has often been around double that.
Only the peanut butter or also the peanuts themselves? Because I eat an absurd amount of them to pass time
Good peanut butter is just 100% ground up peanuts, soooo…
But the peanut butter most people eat is not 100% ground-up peanuts.
For example, here’s the nutritional info and ingredients for Skippy:
What kind of seed is that ?? 😳
You think that’s bad, check out the alternate names of the plant it comes from-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeseed
Probably why it’s usually marketed as canola oil in the U.S.
Hydrogenated vegetable oil is extremely high in linoleic acid. OP should probably be worried about the (probably) low quality food they’re ingesting.
A whole lot of sugar too.
2g of added sugar isn’t a lot. The whole jar in the picture is less than half a can of soda. In my opinion, the 200g of fat is worse than 24g of sugar because of the calorie amount.
A few people are in here saying a pound or two a week is an unreasonable amount of peanut butter.
But when you buy peanut butter it comes in a 1-2 pound jar. If it’s your main source of protein, your favorite comfort food, or you have a poverty pantry, then I could totally see how you might think that one jar a week isn’t too bad.
Two pounds of peanut butter is about 6000 calories, or three days of energy for the average person. It shouldn’t be the main staple in your diet, as OPs doctor will attest, but it doesn’t seem strictly unreasonable.
I wonder how gourmet or homemade “nothing but peanut” butter compares to something like Kraft that’s loaded with sugar. Probably still not super great, but hey, maybe it’s better. Or maybe it’s worse. Eat a variety if you can.
Eating peanuts or peanut butter for protein is weird because it’s wayyyy higher in fat. Don’t eat it for protein, it’s a fat source really.
Y’know, that’s an interesting point.
I blame our nutritional education. I grew up with the Food Pyramid (now debunked), and peanut butter would be considered a “meat alternative” which I think people conflate with being a source of protein.
That’s not how it was taught. Maybe that’s how you learned it. Peanut butter and peanuts were on the bottom row with vegetables, not a meat sub.
https://peanut-institute.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pyramid-med.jpg
That’s a very different food pyramid from the one that I was taught at least. The 90s/2000s food pyramid made no distinction between different kinds of meats but did make a distinction between grains, fruits, and veggies, with grains as the base of the pyramid.
Your food guide looks different than mine. Notably, yours has a distinction between meat, poultry, and seafood where mine are all lumped in as one category that also includes legumes.
For what it’s worth, I believe this guide has been fully discredited. There was a considerable amount of lobbying to present certain foods prominently.
That’s the one I’m familiar with. Funny what happens when a country and province is hugely invested in dairy farming and then their kids are taught in schools to consume large amounts of dairy to be healthy.
I agree, but at least nuts are high in unsaturated fats, which have some rather solid clinical backing as being healthy. Obviously still energy-dense, and if nuts are used a primary protein source it will likely be difficult to stay within a restricted caloric budget.
E.g. if you want to follow the government recommendation and have 20% of your calories come from protein, peanuts will fall short as only 18% of their calories are sourced from protein (79% from fat). 349 grams of peanuts (about 3/4 of a pound) has 2000 calories and 91 grams of protein - with 175 grams of fat.
I’ve always heard that peanuts were kind of the last option you’d want to pick among nuts, specifically because they’re so high in saturated fats (about 20% of the fat content). They’re not bad per se, but there are much better options.
Still, they’re a great source of added protein and unsaturated fats, but like you said, don’t rely on them as your primary source.
You are definitely better of snacking on peanuts than, say, Doritos. It’s not that they are a bad food, they just don’t have a great macro balance if they are the major component of a diet. From this unvetted comparison they don’t seem to be too bad compared to other nuts.
If someone really wanted to get most of their calories from peanuts, they would probably want to supplement with something like pea protein powder and some high-fiber greens (or even beans). This would allow for keeping carbs relatively low while having a more even balance between fat and protein intake. Not quite keto, but not the typical high-carb western diet.
This is the first post I’ve ever heard that peanuts can be poisonous if overeaten, but I know that most tree nuts are. Almonds and Brazil Nuts are high in selenium and can straight up kill you. As few as 6 Brazil Nuts may be enough. Cashews are also slightly poisonous because the fruit they come from is.
Peanut butter and bacon!
This issue can occur when eating one food excessively for long periods. I distinctly recall this being covered in pre- college health classes.
A common urban legend was the girl who only ate carrots and turned orange.
the girl who only ate carrots and turned orange.
I can confirm this is a real thing. When I was a kid my step-mother went on this fad diet that involved drinking carrot juice every day. It was this whole production where she bought a juicer and I remember multiple large bags of carrots coming in the house. There was always leftover carrot pulp in the trash, etc. Anyways she went wild with it for a time and sure enough her skin started turning slightly orange, mostly along her forearms where the skin was thin.
That’s when the carrot juice stopped.
So yeah she wasn’t an Oompa Loompa but it was definitely a visible change.
Juicing is strange to me. The pulp is really healthy and should have been eaten or used in a soup or something, it’s fibre and has good stuff in it.
Also I may be imagining it but I remember carrot pills being sold at one time to make yourself get a “tan”.
My mom did the same thing. Sometime in the very late 80’s to early 90s.
Colloidal silver?
A friend of mine spoke to this man on a train ride. He lived in the town we went to college in.
He looks like a townie
If it’s your main source of protein.
A 200Lb adult needs a minimum of 140g of protein daily to remain healthy.
A single serving of peanut butter has 190 Calories, and only 7g of protein.
If that 200Lb adult was getting just half of their protein from peanut butter, they would be consuming 1,900 calories in the process. Even if they are active enough to justify that caloric intake, they would still be consuming 160g of fat, which is double the daily recommended amount. It’s the nutritional equivalent of drinking a 2/3 cup portion of cooking oil every day.
Tl;Dr: Do not make peanut butter your main source of protein.
A 200Lb adult needs a minimum of 140g of protein daily to remain healthy.
The standard recommendation is about 0.8g per kilogram of body weight. So 200 lbs is 91 kg, which corresponds with 73g.
There’s some more recent advocacy for more protein, especially for active or older people, but that’s talking about more than just the minimum requirements to be healthy, and more towards optimizing for performance.
With their high protein concentration, peanuts are used to help fight malnutrition. Plumpy Nut, MANA Nutrition,[67] and Medika Mamba[68] are high-protein, high-energy, and high-nutrient peanut-based pastes developed to be used as a therapeutic food to aid in famine relief. The World Health Organization, UNICEF, Project Peanut Butter, and Doctors Without Borders have used these products to help save malnourished children in developing countries.
Peanuts are different than peanut butter though. Unless you are eating the natural type of peanut butter which doesn’t have anything in it besides the nuts.
He didn’t say if he ate it with jam or chocolate sprinkles. So not sure if he’s American or Dutch.
Nutella(off brand obv, nutella is like €7 a jar where the cheap shit is €3), am Dutch.
They cannot be eating relatively healthily if peanut butter is their only food for the whole day lol
I’m shamelessly biased on this topic but I would say nothing but pb is healthier than nothing but ramen. At least that’s what I’m interpreting OP’s opinion on the matter of relatively healthy 😐
The word “liver” doesn’t appear in the Wikipedia article.
As for oxalates:
Several plant foods such as the root and/or leaves of spinach, rhubarb, and buckwheat are high in oxalic acid and can contribute to the formation of kidney stones in some individuals. Other oxalate-rich plants include fat hen (“lamb’s quarters”), sorrel, and several Oxalis species (also sometimes called sorrels). The root and/or leaves of rhubarb and buckwheat are high in oxalic acid.[14] Other edible plants with significant concentrations of oxalate include, in decreasing order, star fruit (carambola), black pepper, parsley, poppy seed, amaranth, chard, beets, cocoa, chocolate, most nuts, most berries, fishtail palms, New Zealand spinach (Tetragonia tetragonioides), and beans.[citation needed] Leaves of the tea plant (Camellia sinensis) contain among the greatest measured concentrations of oxalic acid relative to other plants. However, the drink derived by infusion in hot water typically contains only low to moderate amounts of oxalic acid due to the small mass of leaves used for brewing.[citation needed]
but no mention of peanuts in the main or talk page.
The doctor might be wrong.
The poster might be lying too.
The poster might both be their own doctor and lying.
I suspect peanut falls under the “most nuts” part, right after cocoa and chocolate
Peanuts aren’t nuts…
They’re leguuuuuuuuuuuuumes.
That’s truuuuuuuuuuuuue.
yep.
As someone who has always had a problem with calcium oxalate stones, I did not know peanut butter is so loaded with oxalates, so this is good information to have.
Something that’s always stuck with me (re:kidney stones) is that consistently sleeping on the same side seems to increase the likelihood of developing them.
In the 93 patients [of 110] who consistently slept to one side, the side in which renal stones were found was identical to the dependent sleep side in 76%. source
It’ll sound counter intuitive, but one way to avoid problems with oxalates is to consume calcium rich foods with oxalate high foods. For example, a glass of milk (soy milk counts) with a PB&J.
The reason this works is the calcium binds with the oxalate in your stomach and not your liver/kidneys.
For this to work, you have to consume both at the same time.
Oh my god
I did not know that could happen.
Time to find some other foods to replace my #1 go-to 😟
Fuck
I can happen if you eat a fucking pound or two a week. Do you eat that much in a week as your comfort food?
Yes I do
I’m boring, I like having meals that I don’t have to think about as options to lean on in the morning. Pb and toast is my default for a low effort, no-brain-power-required breakfast.
During my poverty days I ate that as my main source of calories in the day. At most I’d go through a 1lb jar in about 3 days, so like 2lbs a week back then.
These days I’m eating a plant based diet and have far more variety of foods I put in my face. I still go through a 1lb jar in ~1 week, unless I’m eating oatmeal or something else for breakfast for a stretch.
You know that ‘what’s one food you’d bring to a deserted island to eat forever’ question? My answer was always peanut butter. Have to rethink that now.
Yes
I genuinely think I’ve been eating about a pound a week for a while. 😐 Not amused.
A standard jar of JIF is only 3/4 Lb. 1-2Lb/week is 2-3 jars a week. There’s no way you didn’t suspect that this was unhealthy…
I buy Albert Heijn’s 100% peanut butter by the kilo (1lb is about 450g) and I go through that in just over two weeks. I won’t lie though, it is self-evidently a lot of fucking peanut butter.
I mean a pound, I have sat in front of a jar of nutella and done that. Just wouldn’t do that every week lol
Some years ago I could nearly eat nutella by the spoonful, but my taste buds must have changed because now it tastes too sweet, so I only eat it occasionally.
I stopped drinking coke for some time now, except in very rare examples. It tastes completely off to me now.
Good for you. Empty calories anyway
I wonder if you’d like cane sugar soda, either kosher coke or smaller soda makers will have stuff that uses real sugar instead of corn syrup.
I’m drinking the real stuff, I’m not from the US
I was going to say, I do this too, but about halfway through the jar it gets nauseating and I can’t look at the stuff for a couple weeks. At least I get natural peanut butter fwiw. Nothing there but peanuts and salt
A pound is like a small tub. If it is a staple of your diet, you will easily eat that over a whole week. 7 days.
Kidney stones fucking suck too. Note that there are more than just the calcium oxalate kidney stones, but for those ones in particular, other things high in oxalates that you might be eating that are high in oxalates: spinach, chocolate, tea, nuts, sweet potatoes.
So if you’re trying to eat healthier, don’t fully adjust to eating (breakfast) an oatmeal bake with nuts, peanut butter, and chocolate; (lunch) wraps using a spinach wrap and/or spinach instead of lettuce for the greens in it; and tea instead sodas… Unless you like the idea of Tylenol sized kidney stones.This happened to me, 11mm kidney stone. It’s truly sucks.
Yes this peanut butter news is devastating. Now I want to know how much is too much.
A pound of peanut butter per week sounds insane but apparently it’s only like 2 cups and I feel like that’s an edible amount. It’s a lot but if I really got a hankering for some PB I could do that. But then after a week I would be over it. I feel bad for this person though that apparently they think eating nothing but PB is healthy. A human body needs a variety of different foods and nutrients and evidently eating nothing but peanut butter isn’t that.
A pound of peanut butter in a week is nothing; a pound of peanut butter a week, every week, on the other hand…
It doesn’t sound like they think it’s healthy, given that they said they eat it in excess and it’s a guilty pleasure.
Same thing happens to me; I’ll get a massive craving for peanut butter and easily consume an entire family-sized jar in a week. And just like you I’ll get over it and go months without.
I wonder what causes this? Not enough protein in my diet?
You probably have plenty of protein in your diet. Requirements aren’t that high for it. They’re not a complete protein either but easily become one when paired with stuff most of us eat anyway.
They’re pretty decent for b vitamins and things like copper (which is used for iron absorption).
Long story short you probably just like PB. I mean it’s nice stuff but easy to get sick of.
Could just be your body trying to maintain weight and getting a big craving for some thing calorie DENSE
Was putting less than that per week in my morning weight-gain breakfast shakes. Worked for a couple of months until the kidney stones put an end to that. Could never gain on carbs alone.
Of course not, protein is very literally what gains are made of.
It occurs to me that you might have just been talking about gaining fat, which is also more complicated nutritionally than you might expect. Especially to do responsibly.
Glycogen also makes up a good amount of muscle mass. But there was more in the shake than just pb and carbs. I had calculated a combination of macros though all those notes are long gone now. A 1500 cal shake over the course of a morning plus what amounts to 3500+ calories per day, all pre planned did not foresee the kidney stones peanut butter and cocoa would produce.
Natural PB, or Kraft, Skippy, Jif? Cause that sugar shit will kill you.
Also, peanuts are not a nut, they are a legume.
The only nut I eat is my own
So the ‘pea’ should be stressed?
Yes, except the pods grow underground instead of above ground, which is why the shells are so strong.
