I wish there was an alternative to leaving Reddit
I’m sad too. I grew up in the early 1970s loving newspapers and oddly loving the classified ad sections (that sounds strange, but reading scattered somewhat classified content still is pleasing to me. That is how my carefully curated Reddit home feed felt.) As newspapers died, I realized that my small metro area had no good written way to interact or hear about local issues. Our local subreddit became my best source.
And I loved reading subs such as /nursing and /medicine and /talesfromyourserver not because I work in those areas, but because they are IRL communities that I count on for my quality of life and hearing their stories helped me empathize with them and (I think) made me a better human.
If I woke up in the middle of the night, I could read something to get my mind off of whatever was running through my head.
Other than paying for my Apollo subscription, making about 25 comments a year, and using the upvote function liberally, I didn’t interact much. My almost 10 year old account is very shy. I was always wary of being attacked or ignored. Oddly, IRL, I’m very apt to dive into any conversation.
I’m tentatively trying to be more interactive here. Smaller groups feel safer.
As someone who worked at a major U.S. newspaper in the late 90s, I think the world needs more people who think the way you have just expressed… valuing local information, empathizing with people outside your circle, and considering how your words will be received. I hope you find Lemmy to be a place where you feel comfortable contributing.
For now it’s great! I loved newspapers and was a co-editor on my high school paper. Reading and writing have always been favorite things for me to do. Thanks for your time in the newspaper business. Wonder how many here still seek the goodness of that medium that was also largely lost?
The biggest thing I’ll miss isn’t actually being on reddit but the fact that basically any time you needed to look up somthing you could just google it and add site:reddit.com and find some good threads about it… it’s been a valuable knowledge base.
I also do this, but even before the recent turmoil I started losing confidence and trust. Brands know about this trick and they know how much consumers trust honest reviews by real people.
Generative AI like ChatGPT makes it easier than ever to flood subs with search-engine friendly posts and comments how awesome product X is…
True… look at reviews too for instance. Feels like more and more of them are generated by their owners in different ways to trick people. Same with tracks on spoitfy and so on as well, companies script playing their tracks all the time so they’ll end up higher in rankins.
It’s really starting to be hard to find anything that’s honest these days.
But you can check people’s comment history, at least for the time being it’s easy enough to notice if an account isn’t organic.
Agreed, I feel like the social part of reddit is pretty easily replaceable but the amount of niche and specialised information was incredible
Agreed, although I do love that their own search engine was complete dogshit. That said, many of the posts I found really useful were at least five years old, sometimes as old as 12. In some ways it may be good for the knowledge base to update a bit. Actually, are Lemmy posts searchable the same way as Reddit?
They should be when the search engines have had time to index them. You can access them without loggin in so it should be fine?
Isn’t there the reddit archive project?
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Really don’t know tbh, could be useful but extremely storage heavy.
Absolutely the best way to get answers to specific things. Avoids any paid blogs and questionable answers. Not to mention perfect for getting actual recommendations and reviews on things.
The only thing that’s usually better is the Arch Linux wiki but you sadly can’t use that for everything. :)
Here’s the thing, as much as I’m going to miss the convenience, I’m willing to suffer thru discomfort for not having that information readily available. LLMs now paired with web searches should be able to serve such content, and in the interim, I want something like Lemmy, a decentralized collection of instances with user generated content to grow, so that a single asshole ceo cannot ruin it for everybody else, particularly when the content in question is user generated and managed.
Personally I’m eagerly awaiting Reddit’s demise.
I prefer non-corporate alternatives, like lemmy or mastodon. However, if it’s going to last, users are going to have to contribute what they can to keeping the lights on, otherwise, if lemmy grows, they’ll have to resort to things like ads to cover their costs and it will become reddit all over again.
Well, we are on the ground floor here. Let’s find something that keeps the lights on and gives everyone the incentives they need to make a great community!
Perhaps a good start would be a page that gives statistics about the time and money required to run an instance. I really appreciate those who have dedicated their time money and reputation to start things up. Lets find a way to build a better social media experience together.
I think many of us would be OK with a number of different models, donations, non-intrusive ads, reasonable subscription fees, etc. Perhaps there could even be incentives for people who put time into building communities by moderating or other tasks. The important thing in my opinion is that everyone feels they contributed to the structure in a way that they want to keep participating.
Edit: I found a budget page from the donation link on the side bar of the main page of lemmy.world.
Perhaps a good start would be a page that gives statistics about the time and money required to run an instance.
Yeah, that’s not not a bad idea.
I’m ok with some non-intrusive ads, also. I’d also be ok with chipping in $5 a month, or so, if it’s something I end up using a lot.
From a personal perspective, I would like to see a model where basic access is free. A 5$ a month fee is fine for you and me, but I think there are a lot of people who may not have that in their budget or who don’t want the paper trail of payments (e.g. if they live in a country that is restrictive of free speech). I am really hoping that voluntary donations are sufficient, but I guess we will see.
I am really hoping that voluntary donations are sufficient
I hope so too.
I really love that idea.
Regarding ads, I almost always turn on an ad blocker because the ads I see are over the top and either obstructive or somehow offensive, so figuring out a way to monetize that isn’t also horrible is kind of a delicate balance. Like, no autoplaying video/audio, for one.
Tip jars, things like possible user customizations allowable for those that donate above a certain threshold (so like, specific color callouts for donators of $x in the last month, or the ability to add highlights inline in comments, or something) and other incentives other than, y’know, getting your average user to understand that servers and time are things that need money to keep going. That said, that stat page would be super helpful on the main instance page, like maybe over on the side.
Yeah, reasonable ads are key. Moving/flashing things are a show stopper for me. Also, ads shouldn’t track private information, I think its fine to base them on the contents of the current public info on a page, but tracking data across sites gets creepy. I don’t like using ad blockers if I can avoid it, but many websites are completely unusable without it.
At least with Lemmy there’s lots of different servers, each with their own running costs.
Each could try a different way of keeping the lights on. Some could run on donations only, some could use small unobtrusive ads on the side, some could do lots of ads. If any server does too little they’ll go down due to lack of funding, if any server does too much the users will migrate elsewhere, as it’s quite easy to make a new account on another instance and keep following the same communities.
Even if we end up with some large-scale instances with big servers, millions of users and serious money involved, they won’t have a monopoly on all the content like with reddit, so the competition should keep them from doing anything stupid.
That’s true. That’s definitely why I prefer open source and federated models. No one can have a monopoly.
Honestly I’m fine with some amount of ads as long as they are unobtrusive and inoffensive. Either that or there’s a free tier with some minimal ads and a paid tier with no ads. Nothing outlandish though.
No instance admin should have to bear the cost.
Unfortunately with the current structure of things, that’s probably what will have to happen for a bit.
Lemmy is decentralized and federated and there are pros and cons to that system. One of those is that users expect a completely free experience. However, I have a server at home, but I have no way of scaling it. So despite there being a community I’d love to spin up, I can’t because I have no way of scaling it.
Most people are going to have to go through Cloud providers for that, which can get pricey.
Just like people share the cost for a Netflix account they could probably share the cost of their fediverse access. IF people really wanted that is.
Be the change you want to see. Start a community, advertise it, start bring the reddit folks over here.
Reddit has always had a massive problem with misogynists, racists, pedophiles, etc. and the staff never does anything about it until there’s media attention. They monopolized the web forum medium which basically forced communities to have to exist on that extremely toxic, hate-filled website.
I’d say I’m elated to see it go, but to be honest I don’t think it is going anywhere. With any luck, Lemmy will become a vibrant community while all the assholes stay on the site they deserve.
Edit: Also, Reddit is designed to be addictive and has a reputation for it’s negative, doomscroll-inducing atmosphere. Then there’s the whole race-to-the-top karma system that ensures that Reddit has a monoculture where all the replies are predictable and similar.
Fediverse platforms aren’t built around being addictive and in general tend to be more positive and diverse, making them feel large in spite of actually being significantly smaller than mainstream platforms.
I also feel sad about leaving Reddit. It’s been a constant in my routine for almost a decade. If I needed anything - opinions, suggestions, advice - about literally anything I’d immediately head to Reddit. It’s bittersweet having to leave, but I know deep in my heart there was no other way especially with how it was going and how it was treating its users. But honestly seeing a new, fresh feed actually felt… nice. I don’t see much negativity. I actually see people replying to each other mostly decently. There’s not a lot of trolling or passive aggressiveness. I feel hopeful that this will be the start of seeing healthier communities and more positive interactions. In any case, if you’re here anyway, you’re a part of the group of people who don’t think what’s happening on the other side is acceptable, so it’s already a pretty great filter if you think about it.
I’ve been on Reddit for almost 15 years and it’s just gotten too big and too moderated for me.
I’m actually kinda glad reddit is dying, this seems like a much better place. Short term it’s a pain but long term I have a good feeling about this platform
i miss the memes, the rest of it is toxic
It was their crappy mobile UI and app that drove me to Relay for Reddit. Now that they’re getting pushed out I’m done, it’s going to hurt a bit but it’s the right thing to do.
I’m sad too. What’s with these tech companies making the shittiest changes lately? I thought I’d be fine deactivating my Discord after their horrendous username change since I’d still have Reddit but now Reddit is going to become lower quality. I’ll be active on here and Twitter since its fandoms are similarly, like Reddit, seperated by subtwitters (communities)
I just renamed myself as same as i was before: [mynickname][myoldnumber] (i wanted to add # too but damned thing didnt let me)
Well, what else to expect from these companies? Pretty sure the big companies that listen to their users can be counted on the fingers of your hand
What was so bad about the Discord username change? I literally just dropped the number they had forced on me.
This won’t work for a lot of people though.
I’m aware. Doesn’t answer the question.
The bad thing is that people are forced to give up their username to make it a unique token with people they will never meet and care about.
Question for most people is: Why? Where is the good reason to force this upon everyone?
And even as a techy guy I have no clue to be honest.
Seems a bit dramatic to completely abandon the platform over a username change though, especially since you can still use whatever nickname you want on the servers.
Glad to see it go. It was not as useful as it once was and the community had grown very angry and bitter.
I love the thrill of discovering something new on the internet, and then sharing the content with my friends.
Reddit substituted that thrill by localizing it through all the niche subreddits, but as time went on it was obvious how dangerous that can be.
I’m personally excited to get back to exploring.
The downside is that the internet of 2023 is not the internet of 2013, and definitely not the internet of 2003 - but that doesn’t have to be encumbering.
But I understand that most people don’t want to work for that shit. Hopefully the added competition spurs innovation from all over.
This is how I feel! Very few people I know IRL spend time on Reddit, and it was always fun for me to bring up something I found there. Lately, I have a couple of friends who do read our local subreddit and I enjoy discussing what we’ve read there.
I feel that whether or not I choose to go back, all the reasons I still went will be degraded after recent events. And frankly, that sucks.
Thanks for saying what I didn’t realize I was feeling!
Yeah, to be honest, I used the reddit mobile app and I loved reddit and I’m also sad to see it go. However, nothing lasts forever.
