For one thing this is why echo chambers are dangerous. They have real world implications. For another though, there’s a difference between a debate and downright trolling or inciting behavior regardless of topic. Conflating the two is kind of disingenuous.
And if you don’t want to debate you don’t put that information on a public forum because debate is literally a baked in feature of public forums. That part of the reason they exist. You’re putting something out into public. It doesn’t just belong to you anymore/doesn’t just affect you anymore. That’s literally the basis for a lot of civil rights laws and why you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater.
You can’t just say a stereotype or something racist in public. What should in theory be happening is people of the LGBTQ should have the same protections under the law (anti-discrimination) as other protected groups get.
If the community is founded on that as a rule (no discrimination) and the comment is in violation that’s one thing. Ban people. Do what you need to to follow the rules, enforce the rule, and protect the community. But at the same time discourse in a community isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Do you not want nonsensical posts on your LGBTQ communities about “gay frog water” or whatever to face discourse? Do you not want people in the community to counter anyone bold enough to claim that as fact?
I’m not conflating so much as saying the line between them can be incredibly thin and hard to find. Additionally, some people are ignorant/hard headed/saying horrible things but they’re also completely unaware of the issue so where do you say “that’s enough”? Some people also hide behind rules and weaponize speech so they can use it as cudgel to cause issues in a community. It is exhausting dealing with these people sometimes and some communities just don’t want to, which I think is their prerogative!
I get why my stance is getting pushback. I just think ultimately it’s up to a community how much they want to deal with friction. Some people don’t. That’s fine!
Communities can be built to be insular and require things of their members that would allow for what you seem to want but that involves a time investment to vet users and essentially make the community read only for people who aren’t members. That comes with a whole host of other problems but it is doable.
For one thing this is why echo chambers are dangerous. They have real world implications. For another though, there’s a difference between a debate and downright trolling or inciting behavior regardless of topic. Conflating the two is kind of disingenuous.
And if you don’t want to debate you don’t put that information on a public forum because debate is literally a baked in feature of public forums. That part of the reason they exist. You’re putting something out into public. It doesn’t just belong to you anymore/doesn’t just affect you anymore. That’s literally the basis for a lot of civil rights laws and why you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater.
You can’t just say a stereotype or something racist in public. What should in theory be happening is people of the LGBTQ should have the same protections under the law (anti-discrimination) as other protected groups get.
If the community is founded on that as a rule (no discrimination) and the comment is in violation that’s one thing. Ban people. Do what you need to to follow the rules, enforce the rule, and protect the community. But at the same time discourse in a community isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Do you not want nonsensical posts on your LGBTQ communities about “gay frog water” or whatever to face discourse? Do you not want people in the community to counter anyone bold enough to claim that as fact?
I’m not conflating so much as saying the line between them can be incredibly thin and hard to find. Additionally, some people are ignorant/hard headed/saying horrible things but they’re also completely unaware of the issue so where do you say “that’s enough”? Some people also hide behind rules and weaponize speech so they can use it as cudgel to cause issues in a community. It is exhausting dealing with these people sometimes and some communities just don’t want to, which I think is their prerogative!
I get why my stance is getting pushback. I just think ultimately it’s up to a community how much they want to deal with friction. Some people don’t. That’s fine!
Communities can be built to be insular and require things of their members that would allow for what you seem to want but that involves a time investment to vet users and essentially make the community read only for people who aren’t members. That comes with a whole host of other problems but it is doable.