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    The reason for the shift? Stewart and Apple executives “had disagreements over some of the topics and guests,” the sources said. Specifically, they claimed Stewart told staffers that Apple execs took issue with planned programming related to both China and artificial intelligence, and noted that with the 2024 US election coming up, there might have been additional opportunities for disagreement then.

    Shows like this should have zero input from executives. If you are not willing to let the show have free rein, you don’t deserve to host the show.

    Hopefully Jon Stewart does something else with less corporate oversight.

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      I was so excited to have him back and so let down when he was cancelled. I really do hope he goes somewhere else

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      HBO should make him an offer. Pull him over to chill with John Oliver again like the good old days.

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        HBO? Ohh you mean MAX, the hip and cool skateboarding cousin that showed up to HBO’s house in season 7 of the “HBO show” with the bodacious sunglasses and the backward hat.

        Yeah, I’m sure that guy is jazzy and gnarly enough to support John Stewart.

        Radical!

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          Haha I honestly forgot sometimes that the streaming platform is just MAX now. I work for a cable company and deal with customers who have HBO in their cable packages. It’s such a habit to call it HBO still heh… and Lat Week Tonight does still technically air on HBO on TV. It’s just the streaming episode goes up within 30 mins of the airing generally.

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      Shows like this should have zero input from executives. If you are not willing to let the show have free rein, you don’t deserve to host the show.

      What if the talent wants to glorify pedophiles?

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    Between this on Apple TV+ and Netflix cancelling Patriot Act with Hassan Minaj, it seems there is definitely a big issue with profit driven platforms worried about pissing off actual nations by literally just stating facts.

    I hope Jon Stewart can do a deal with another platform and make this kind of content again. But I doubt any big names will want to after this.

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      Where can he go? Haven’t we turned every platform into profit seeking machines. Any places that could have supported this type of media got chocked out long ago.

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        Unless John Oliver is next to get the can, HBO has always been a safe spot for true free speech, and he really pushes the envelope. But they may not have room in their schedule for two shows like his.

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          Please don’t say those words out loud. That would be a travesty… I get nervous because he has already been doing this show for 9 years next month and that’s kind of getting into show ending territory.

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            Shows like John Oliver could go 20+ years easily. If he’s happy and making the exact show he wants to make, I don’t see why he wouldn’t keep going. Bill Maher is on season/year 21. And it really can’t be that expensive compared to their other tent poles.

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        He’s doing it for fun at this point. He can post on Oddysea/Peertube/etc… and be completely out of just about anyone’s jurisdiction.

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        There are small independent news groups who I’m sure would be happy to have him. They don’t have their own streaming services, but could likely put his videos on their website or YouTube. The big issue is they couldn’t afford Stewart.

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      More reason for universal standardized content access with universal type apps, anyoen can create content and distribute it to millions of people. These networks have always been about convenience, which they have a properietary tech on apparantly.

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      eh, wth would netlfix or amazon care what china thinks??

      apple has major physical investment in china… thats the conflict of interest here. a media conglomerate changing the story because businessmonies.

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        Netflix is a bad example, but Amazon and Disney do a lot of business with China. Amazon had e-commerce and web services offerings in china. Also they, like Apple, manufacture a LOT of shit there. Disney is simpler. They want to sell their media in China.

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          I wonder if this was a Youtube channel he owned… Would google capitulate? Though I can’t imagine it would be worth it for Jon to be on Youtube.

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            YouTube is blocked in China and most other oppressive regimes. You can definitely find lots of china criticism there.

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      I always remember, when I see Martin Scorsese throw shade at Disney in an interview, that when he made Kundun, the CCP didn’t like it and made Disney restrict distribution of the film. Michael Eisner literally hired Henry Kissinger to do damage control afterwards.

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    I didn’t watch the show (because I don’t have Apple+) but I’m still really disappointed because he had a podcast companion that I listened to, and the man and his writers and researchers are sharp as fuck. It was so incisive, and I really admired how he was bringing what felt like Eugene Debbs and Studs Terkel levels of socialism but without ever using those words.

    I also liked how the show clearly had diverse voices, but it didn’t seem to pander or brag about it.

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      The Podcast was really really good. I preferred it to show. I hope he continues to explore that format.

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    they should just make an AI John Stewart and deep fake the video so they can have all the clout John brings without the potential trouble John’s rational and thoughtful dialogue also brings

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    On a separate note (or possibly related), I just couldn’t get into this show. I love Stewart and watched daily show for years. I found the problem with… Problem was that it had a fear that the content wasn’t good enough to stand on it’s own so there was this constant barrage of quips that frequently fell flat. Maybe the show got better over time (I only caught the first 3 or 4 episodes).

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      The Daily Show was mostly upbeat and highlighted the absurdity of politics even when they were covering serious topics, so the jokes seemed to flow pretty naturally. In The Problem Jon Stewart would oscillate between serious/morose to a few jokes and back again, it was giving me thematic whiplash and I couldn’t hang with it either. I think Last Week Tonight is The Daily Show’s spiritual successor.

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        Man have you not watched last week? Morose and serious is like how I would define it. I even made a joke last week about how ‘if I’m talking about something it’s probably horrible and tragic’.

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          Jon Oliver is very careful to segregate jokes for levity from sensitive topics. Jon on the Problem would regularly never make a tonal or topical shift when putting in a joke, which really made it feel like a desparate, uncomfortable interjection during a serious rant rather than a lighthearted reminder that we’re still on Earth while discussing a travesty.

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    Bummer. Apple has had some of the best streaming content right now. IMHO, it’s what HBO should’ve been. This is definitely puts a black eye on the service for me.

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      This is definitely puts a black eye on the service for me

      Right, forget about all the sweatshops and suicide nets and slave labour. this one is crossing the line.

      “but but but everyone does it…”

      no shit, Apple normalized it.

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      Oh come on. They’re not preventing him from speaking, they’re choosing to stop putting million$ into a show with someone they no longer want to do business with (for whatever reason; details not clear).

      If the show has legs, Stewart will certainly find a new host. Could be a nice catch for one of the other biggies.

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        Yeah they’re allowing him to speak about only what they deem as “appropriate”. Preventing him from speaking about china is not “letting him speak” as you put it. It also sounds like the reasons for not wanting to do business is pretty clear. Stewart wants to talk about things that apple feels might show them in some not great light, so they can’t have any of that.

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          He can and will say whatever he wants!

          Apple just doesn’t want to fund the show.

          Two different things.

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    Could Amazon swoop in and hire him? Would be a boss move if they did that.

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      If there is one company more evil than Apple it’s Amazon. At least the genius bar workers arent forced to piss in bottles and work thru tornados

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        Yes that’s definitely worse than exploiting slave labour in China for 2 decades, amirite?

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          Oh you sweet summer child. You think Amazon reviews the supply chain of the products they sell? Unlike apple they get to feign ignorance.

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        It’s not about good and evil, it’s about relying on someone business-wise or not.