cross-posted from: https://lemmus.org/post/1242124
Assange, 52, has been in London’s high-security Belmarsh prison since 2019 and is wanted in the United States over the release of confidential U.S. military records and diplomatic cables in 2010.
“Assange is a symbol of free speech which is essential for any genuine democracy,” Raggi, who ran Rome’s city hall between 2016 and 2021, told Reuters.
“He has been deprived of his own liberty for years, in awful conditions, for doing his job as a journalist,” she said.
Other Italian cities have taken similar steps. The northern city of Reggio Emilia granted Assange citizenship last month, while Naples is set to follow shortly.
In the beginning he was a whistle blower. In the end he was a Russian marionette. They used him (like Snowden) to leak US documents. His first interview on cameras was for russia today and given the chance to drop damaging information on the Republican Party, he always choosed to drop the dirt of the democratic party. He got played by the FSB hard and is still in denial about this. He is either a bad faith actor or a useful idiot for russias desinformation campaign.
Assange isn’t a whistle blower. He was a journalist who published information given to him by whistleblowers (like Manning).
Published only the secrets that hurt the people he wanted specifically to hurt, while hiding the secrets that made his benefactors look bad. I wouldn’t call that a journalist, I call that an information terrorist
Every journalist filters stuff. They might be biased, but it’s still journalism.
He doesn’t advertise himself as a journalist who filters things.
But if you want him to be held responsible for filtering what he releases, why didn’t he filter the list of gay people in countries where being gay is a death sentence?
Freedom of the press is an important part of a democratic society. It’s perfectly fine to not like what they’re publishing (and I certainly don’t like a lot of things that are published), but if you start prosecuting journalists based on what you like and what you don’t like, others will do so as well.
This doesn’t address anything I say, it’s just a vague virtue signal about freedom
Who used Snowden to leak documents?
He’s an information and data terrorist. He has everyone’s secrets but only releases the ones that are convenient to him or his handlers. There’s nothing noble about him.
What are you talking. his website released even data of the embassy he was granted asylum for few years. They then kicked him out.
You are talking shit my man.
He’s just a narcissist.
When the DNC and RNC got hacked, the info came out for both. But what the DNC did pissed off the highly politically engaged - democrats who voted in the primary.
How does one get citizenship from a city?
Probably the same way you get an honorary degree in something. Someone prints out a useless sheet of paper and then hands it to you.
A PhD is the promise you’ll do great work. An honorary degree means you’ve already done it.
Or you dropped a couple million in money you inherited from your family.
Great work
“He has been deprived of his own liberty for years, in awful conditions, for doing his job as a journalist,” she said.
I wonder if he could have simply not raped two women in Sweden?
EDIT: I can’t believe being anti-rapist is a controversial opinion now. Good job, Lemmy community. I hope you feel nice and warm when you go to sleep tonight after simping for a rapist’s right to not stand trial for rape.
Are these the charges that where dropped? Is one not innocent untill PROVEN guilty. Of cause its a catch 22 u go and extradite him to have the case then he ends up in the US awfully convenient that. Also gotta point out how convenient it is that anyome who fucks with the alpabet bois gets accused of such crimes.
Are these the charges that where dropped?
The prosecution announced that the investigation had been closed as of 19 November 2019 because “the evidence has weakened considerably due to the long period of time that has elapsed”. It said the complainant had “submitted a credible and reliable version of events”
Is one not innocent untill PROVEN guilty.
Yes, and that is generally why people are tried in court instead of hiding in another nation’s embassy to avoid arrest.
Of cause its a catch 22 u go and extradite him to have the case then he ends up in the US awfully convenient that.
Yes, because Sweden was just drooling over the prospect of extraditing him to the US, and totally doesn’t have policies against extradition for the US crimes Assange was accused of /s
Also gotta point out how convenient it is that anyome who fucks with the alpabet bois gets accused of such crimes.
“Believe all women, except when women accuse someone I like”
Really eye-opening how popular this view is on here.
I’m not saying he’s innocent, but if the people who wanted to extradite him for that wanted to actually try him for that crime, then all they had to do was promise not to hand him over to the US.
Weird that they wouldn’t do that.
I honestly think he should stand trial, but clearly these charges are just a pretense to get him to the US. Ironically these women are just being used for cynical political manipulation.
If he had done the things he’s accused of with the Epstein crowd then nobody would be trying to extradite him for it.
I’m not saying he’s innocent, but
It’s astounding how far people will go to defend a rapist with credible accusations.
Weird that they wouldn’t do that.
Swedish law mandates that extradition decisions cannot be carried out in absentia.
I honestly think he should stand trial, but clearly these charges are just a pretense to get him to the US. Ironically these women are just being used for cynical political manipulation.
Yes, clearly, it’s Sweden that’s way more likely to extradite him, not the UK, where he was arrested before skipping bail. /s
Funny enough, he’s almost certainly going to be extradited now, by the UK, who have him dead to rights for skipping bail and do NOT have the rules Sweden does about restricting extradition. If he had went to Sweden and stood trial, he might be free today, lmao.
If he had done the things he’s accused of with the Epstein crowd then nobody would be trying to extradite him for it.
“If the richest, most powerful rapists in the world don’t get justice served to them, why should the other rapists?”
If I took all your sentences and gave them the most bad-faith possible interpretation in isolation it’d sound pretty bad too, but only if the reader wasn’t paying attention.
If I took all your sentences and gave them the most bad-faith possible interpretation in isolation it’d sound pretty bad too, but only if the reader wasn’t paying attention.
You have some dispute with the middle two points?
The first point is supposed to be pointing out just how bad it sounds, and that you should take a step back before saying “He’s not innocent BUT” for a guy with very credible rape accusations leveled against him.
The last point is just taking your argument to its logical conclusion to display how absurd a whataboutism in this situation is,
Sweden could make an exception and offer amnesty, again if they really cared about the rape allegations.
And the third point is just “the imperial machine got him in the end lol lmao”, like, okay? Congrats the US gets to have their retribution anyway? How many US politicians have been rapists again? Does that matter to you, or only when the rape allegations are about people you don’t like? Those women still won’t get justice when he’s extradited.
If you’re angry that the women aren’t getting justice in this case, get angry at the realpolitik that forces them to be used as political footballs just to get any attention on their allegations at all. That’s not justice.
And obviously I didn’t say that women shouldn’t have justice because rich rapists get away with it. Like what the fuck are you talking about? You have to be purposely trying to miss my point to think that’s what I’m saying.
And it sounds bad? Yes, if you strip all context and insert your own, then sure, but like… that was my point, right? If all you have is the aesthetics of the argument then you have nothing of substance. You literally took the part where I said I wasn’t defending him and said I was defending him. Do you expect people to take this seriously?
“Believe all women, except when women accuse someone I like”
Really eye-opening how popular this view is on here.
To be fair, that’s everywhere, not just here.
Lemmy, in general, is more vocally feminist and feminist-friendly than most communities, so the disparity is more stark. I expected better, I suppose.
I don’t know about that. I see far more racist and prejudice views here than I ever did on Reddit as it would have been down voted rapidly or moderated before I’d get to it. Maybe not anymore with the mods leaving but I do get a good shocking opinion here daily.
Fair dues
If you read about this matter, you would know very well that the matter is way more complex than “he did not want to stand trial”. The whole matter is very well described by Stefania Maurizi (a journalist who cooperated with Wikileaks) in her book “Secret power”. Both the Swedish and the UK government have huge responsibilities on how (bad) that case was handled.
That’s not a good look when the fascist country makes you a citizen.
Its not the country, its the City of Rome.
The Mayor of Rome and majority of the City Council is social-democrat
Why ia everyone from kbin.social love calling people fascists
Why do people call a spade a spade?
Gee, I fucking wonder.
Yeah but it is like calling every card a spade.
I guess a spade also calls a spade a spade
Ahaha you’re what american to go around teaching about democracy? It’s a miracle they still let you vote like it matters 🤣
I’m not American.
And Meloni is a fascist.
Meloni has still been voted by a minority of people, considering the incredibly low turnout in the last elections. “Fascist” country seems very much pulled from your ass, especially when talking about something started by the previous city government of Rome.
Doesn’t change the fact that Italy voted a fascist to power.
“Italy” did not, a minority of people, who did for all kind of different reasons, did. A subset of those is probably a nostalgic.
Meloni’s party benefited from the fall of the other right wing parties. The core base which is probably what I would call fascists are probably close to the usual % her party was getting few years back: 3-5%.
Anyway, this has nothing to do with “being a fascist country”. Words have meaning, and a fascist country is a dictatorship in which freedom of press does not exist, where minorities and political opposition is systematically repressed, killed, silenced, etc. Thankfully, we are still very far from that.
Italy voted. Italy chose. Doesn’t matter if it was ten people or all the people. Those were your elections. Not voting is a choice.
Sure, but the conclusion is still the same: saying that Italy is a “fascist country” is bs.
