I’ve gone and made accounts of a handful of Lemmy instances, all of them larger, more popular ones.
… and I can’t access any of them directly today, likely due to the influx of users from Reddit.
Programming.dev is alive and well though.
I’m a software engineer by trade but I figured the instance call programming.dev would most likely be run by someone who knew what they were doing when it came to running a lemmy instance and would most likely be the most stable. :P
Programming.dev with local filter is a good replacement for /r/programming for me. I am loving it here.
And it doesn’t have all of the shitty low effort self promotion articles (yet)!
Hang on, I need to plagiarize a guide for setting up React and Redux and put it on my blog and pretend it’s mine for job hopping optimization and internet street cred…
Glad you are enjoying it, though to be honest I do hope this grows to be a decently sized programming community. A lot of the threads are quite dead currently.
I think the fediverse will function the best if everyone is split across many instances. As soon as one or several become dominant, the way they do things becomes the norm, for good or bad. That and the server load of course.
I cannot explain the exact details but I remember during the first great Twitter exodus some people discovered a drawback in the ActivityPup protocol that seems to cause performance issues when very influencial users post on a small/under powered instance.
Because communicating all that stuff to many other instances is more costly than spreading it only to people on the same instance. So technically speaking large instances have a performance advantage and must just scale accordingly to the user number.
Everyone agreed that this need to change in oder to ensure a healthy federated ecosystem but I don’t think it was be fixed by now.
I would love for someone to explain how the data itself works between instances because my mind was blown that I can view content from Lemmy.World while it is down if I simply log into another instance, like Yiffit. Is the content itself shared across instances?
Imagine multiple reddit servers instances that synchronize between each other, this is how this works
Happy to be federated with you, good sir.
Man, this place definately has the vibe of an old timey BB forum. You recognise people in your replies like you used to. I find that I’m gawking at stats way less and I’m able to just talk to people. Engagement is way less, but maybe that’s a good thing.
It’s so refreshing. It feels like the old internet
old timey BB forum
That’s why I have the Netscape profile pic lol
Wait you can use gifs as the avatar? Oh yeah!
I have no idea, this is technically a webp file I had on my computer from God knows where. I’m always nervous bringing attention to it because I don’t want the Lemmy UI devs to find out and think it is a bug lol.
I came across this community, which it reminded me of your choice of avatar, and figured you’d be interested:
Ya know; perfect time to shout out the admins here. Thanks for this little terrific instance. I have an account on BeeHaw, I just never leave here.
No drama, just polls about icons. Easy.
This is my favorite place on the internet.
I never really understood what’s appealing about participating in a community with gazillions of users where any attempt to have a conversation is buried under thousands of replies. Not even talking about the amount of trolling or aggressive commenters.
I think smaller places suit me better, and I am grateful that smaller instances like this one have emerged as a result of the latest happenings with Reddit.
I find I like having both.
Smaller communities / more quiet threads where I really participate and get in a conversation with people. Other times I just like having a lot of different threads with a lot of different information etc.
I am noticing a lot of comments from lemmy.world communities can’t be seen from my other accounts like lemmy.ca or programming.dev.
Aside from that, I think it’s nice to be on a smaller instance.
I can’t even access the lemmy.world instance. It just always errors out for me.
But I like the idea of smaller servers that specialize in a specific hobby/interest/topic and then all the /c/ communities can be centred around that topic and moderated appropriately. I think it leads to better discussion between people looking for programming topics.
I read earlier that users and posts from
lemmy.worldandsh.itjust.worksare not being properly loaded and displayed due to the user’s client instance de-federating from instances with problematic users.In other words, the behaviour of users in some instances has an effect on their reputation.
EDIT: (Maybe not. Not trying to kindle the fire of rivalry between Lemmy instances in here. Yet. * vsauce.wav here *)
When will the first Lemmy instances permanently shut down again because of high resource usage/costs?
I was thinking if an instance owner cannot afford to keep upgrading servers, it could close its doors to new registrations. This will create a need for more instances and users will be more evenly distributed.
But it’s my understanding that resource usage will keep increasing even if you keep the number of users constant on a server (as more content is posted in the communities that users are subscribed to, and that content needs to be synced and stored).
That’s adding storage, which is comparatively cheap.
For more simultaneous users, you need more CPU/RAM. That’s where the monthly cost shoots up fast.
Is there really such a big influx of users migrating specifically TODAY, of all days? I guessed most interested users, like us, did in advance these last 3-4 weeks.
I wish there was a way to see the traffic of different instances in (mostly) real time.
The 3rd party apps are shut down. We’re (You and I) are the “first movers” of this initial migration. Basically the choices are to move to the Reddit App, stop using anything like Reddit, or here… (ActivityPub like sites)
Yep, though federation syncing is really slowing down. This post from !technology@beehaw.org is at 44 comments from programming.dev but 112 comments on the beehaw instance.
So the “true” state of a post is always in it’s instance of origin
No, federation is directional, so even if everything synced perfectly and instantly it wouldn’t be the true version. Take this example. There is an instance that is federated with no one, but every instance is federated with it. Every other instance would see everything there but the instance it is hosted on wouldn’t see any. There’s no reason to say the version hosted there is the true one when it lacks so much of the conversation.
Also comments can lag when syncing to the main instance in the same way they can lag coming from the main one. All you can really say is that when viewing a post on an instance it has the true version of all of that instance’s users comments.
Thank you! Really easy to understand
Let me ask you another question, where are my comments stored? Are they only in my instance or are they elsewhere too?
Lets say i comment on a post from my instance, if someone from another instance sees the post will il be replicated in their instances database?
What if i comment on another instances post? Will my comment be stored in the other instance database or in mine?
What if i delete a comment/post? Am i guaranteed in Will be deleted everywhere?
My understanding is that everything you do is first stored on your instance and then makes its way to instances that are federated with yours. I’m not sure about the specifics of it or deletion though. I haven’t doved into the spec. Because it is called ActivityPub I bet it is the “pubsub” (publisher subscriber) pattern where other instances subscribe (federate) to be published to but it might not work like that.
This is why when you’re the first user on an instance to subscribe to a community from another instance that no one on your instance has subscribed to yet it is somewhat more of an involved process because your instance was not getting anything from that community before and needs to start. I’m still new to this myself and basing it off stuff I’ve read people say who may also be wrong themselves though.
