The president’s comment that he has “no confidence” in the civilian death toll in Gaza provided by Palestinians incensed community leaders.
The image I have is a GIF of Q laying in a sultry manner on the bridge of the Enterprise. So bizarre.
That could have been much worse for you.
There really are no winners here.
Let’s be realistic. Hamas fucked around and found out. You don’t go around provoking a regional superpower with decades-old guns and improvised weapons. There was never a situation where Israel wasn’t going to go in and curb stomp them in response. Israel has always been open about this.
But the response they gave is beyond inhumane. They’ve decided that the best course of action is to just “kill 'em all and let God sort it out”. The vast majority of their targets so far have been civilian targets, and they defend their actions by essentially saying that since they can’t tell the difference between Hamas and the civilians, they’re just going to mow down everybody. Hospitals have been bombed. Supplies have been all but cut off. Civilian vehicles targeted on video, with the IDF’s official response being barely more than “sucks to be them.” Thousands of civilians dead, and Israel’s response is to say “we’re just getting started” and advancing a ground attack.
There is no justification for that response. None. If Israel had any chance of getting regional or global support for their actions, they pissed that away the second they thought bombing a hospital was a good idea. If they think that indiscriminately bombing civilian targets is going to magically stop their enemies from interfering, they thought wrong (as evidenced by the fighting along the Lebanese border). If anything, Israel just gave them the justification that they have been looking for and probably just made their own situation exponentially worse.
At this point, I really do believe that Biden needs to withdraw all but humanitarian support from Israel. Helping to arm Israel while they commit genocide in real time isn’t going to help our position with allies in the middle east. And neither side are exactly saints here. The US should take this into consideration, withdraw military support for Israel, offer humanitarian aid to civilians in both Israel and Gaza, and say they no longer take any position on the conflict outside of protecting US interests.
I would think it would take a hell of a lot to make a terrorist organization like Hamas look like the sympathetic victim. And while I’m not saying they are, Israel seems to be speedrunning their attempts to make them look like they are.
Israel doesn’t need or want global support, because they know they’ve got the unwavering support of the only country that matters, the United States. Shit, our own government covered up when Israel attacked us on purpose and killed a bunch of sailors. If they’re willing to not only forgive, but go to great lengths to conceal acts of war by Israel against the United States, then there isn’t anything they could do to Arab countries they’ve invaded that would push the US away.
Wow, I had no clue about the USS Liberty incident but that seems pretty damming.
I agree with you on everything except that Hamas are terrorists. Hamas are 85% orphans as a result of past Israeli attacks on Palestinians, they are an indigenous resistance to a foreign invader.
in 1956 there was a massacre in Gaza and there was no Hamas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Yunis_massacre
there have been numerous massacres by Israel, it is about time Palestinians fought back
I agree with you on everything except that Hamas are terrorists. Hamas are 85% orphans as a result of past Israeli attacks on Palestinians, they are an indigenous resistance to a foreign invader.
Orphans don’t launch unprovoked attacks that kill thousands of people and take hundreds of hostages. I’m not saying I in any way agree with Israel’s response, but pretending Hamas are just a bunch of innocent victims borders on insulting.
Hamas is a legitimate indigenous resistance to a brutal occupation and blockade. Most of the people who were killed by Hamas were adults and half were active military.
You should listen to Gideon Levy speaking here in 2015 to learn something about how fascist and racist Israel really is and why resistance will always be inevitable: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/international/israel-journalist-gideon-levys-old-video-calling-out-netanyahu-and-occupation-of-palestine-gaza-goes-viral/videoshow/105071938.cms
Maybe he can offer this after Hamas’ defeat:
- Support changes in Israel government to have a hard look at the Haredi group of Jewish people and illegal settlements within West Bank. I got this idea from conversing with a Israeli and he pointed to Haredis.
- Peacekeeping forces within West Bank and Gaza to prevent further wars and illegal settlements.
- Bolsters belief of cohesion with each other.
I do think Biden is in the correct not to trust the civilian death tolls given fog of war, and the issue with Hamas as a group. That being said, he shouldn’t support the current government of Israel either.
Also, if you’re downvoting, you need to understand that yes, I understand that there are problems within Israel, but there is no reason to support Hamas either. If you understand that, then where’s the issue here?
- After 70+ years of occupation “we’ll look into it” is the best we can offer? Really?
- Who would these Peace keepers be? IDF? Pro-Israel US troops? Iranian military? There are no neutral forces for this job. Also, why only peace keeping to further subjugate the Palestinian people? Why no peace keeping forces to keep Israel from committing more ethnic cleansing?
- Huh?
Thank you for offering criticisms instead of downvoting.
- It’s better late than never. And looking into it still paves the way to put some people in jail.
- It should be outside of those you mentioned. They’ll probably consider another war without interference, so yes, there should be peacekeeping forces occupying Gaza/West Bank, and some internal checking within Israel. It’s a good question of who though. None of those you listed are good suggestions, and I do struggle to think of a neutral one. The closest I can think of is United Nation, but that’s probably not enough.
- One of the condition to prevent wars is acceptance of other people. So, yes, there should be support toward each other. Some of the Israelis are in support for Palestine civilians, and some Palestinians are in support of Israel civilians. More of that is needed. Much more in fact.
Do you have a better alternative beyond “let the terrorists keep running the show and occasionally bombing Israel”?
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Why isn’t it their land? They have legitimate claims a thousand years back but were ran off then.
By that logic the United States shouldn’t exist, either. It’s built on stolen land with legitimate claims going back tens of thousands of years.
Exactly. Forever and a day you have no rights to exsist except from the place where your ancestors came from a million years ago.
You rather made my point that the Palestinians have no greater right than the Israelites. Hamas on the other hand has stated with no ambiguity that their policy is to exterminate absolutely every last Jew in the middle East.
They’re all Canaanites to me
The initial Isreali settlements were purchased land as well.
What was the point of the balfour declaration then?
To back up the Jews that had been returning? They started to return in larger numbers due to pogroms in places like Russia.
Much of it is purchased. People seem to forget this part.
