• Alteon@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Your missing the panel for Socialism where it’s holding a ticking time bomb, is covered with a blanket, and a sign draped across the front saying “Everything is fine.”

    And one for Communism, where it says, “Don’t worry. I’ll take care of you. I have your best interests at heart. You can trust me.”

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      You aren’t familiar with how that are defined because all the counrtries claiming to be socialist or communist are really just diguised authoritarian dictators. True communism and true socialism actually work (at least in small experiments).

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        It’s a good idea in theory, but fails to execute at scale. The system relies on the goodness of all people within a system. Socialism and Communism both begin to fail when people realize the system is ripe to be taken advantage of.

        I don’t believe a true system exists even at small scale. All it takes is one leader or government to take advantage of the system, and there’s nothing you can do to stop them. You’ve given them all the tools they need to rule with impunity.

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          It’s been proven at small by the kibbutz in Israel. As a micro communist village, they were very successful.

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          If one person or small group has the power to overtake all others, you’re right its not socialism.

          The point of socialism is to spread the power and responsibility amongst all citizens of a society. If you “give” one person or one group of people power over the majority, its no longer socialism.

          That has been the big failing of so-called socialist or communist governments. One small group of people impose their ideals on the masses and slap a sticker of “Genuine Communism” on it thinking they’ve solved it.

          But they haven’t, they’ve just mislabeled their dictatorship. Either mistakenly or intentionally.

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            yes i think sociaalist ideal would involve any acculumaltion of power being regulated so as to effectively work for society not individuals, especially not those individuals managing the power.

            It’s just a tricky ideal due to greed and corruption that do seem to emerge.

            interestingly those same forces erode the social benefits of free (competetive) markets - as their ideals also deteriorate when some can can accumulate market (/ economic/ financial /political power) faster than any “free market” competition can effectively erode it.