Would pulling the switch be a felony? Would not pulling the switch be one? Would a preservation-of-life defense hold any water?
Are there any notable cases about this?
Given that we presume someone dies either way it becomes murder or manslaughter – it’s kinda hard to be involved in someone dying without those charges being discussed – but that gets very much into the weeds of jurisdiction specific laws and I’m not super familiar with them anyway. Someone else can answer maybe, or maybe I’ll look it up.
What is very interesting to think about is tort law, the general case history of negligence and liability when one person harms another but it isn’t explicitly illegal. Basically the injured person or family sues someone for doing something they shouldn’t have, and it gets into really interesting weird cases like could they have reasonably foreseen the injury etc. Here’s a summary of some major tort precedents going back many years: https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/greedy-associates/5-classic-torts-cases-made-simple-for-1ls/
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IANAL, and it depends on the countries law. My understanding is in the US 99.999% of the time, as a passerby, you cannot have liability for inaction. Remember the last episode of Seinfeld and the lawyer saying you don’t have to help anybody.
However actions you take are always potentially legally liable. And taking an action to cause someone to die always puts you on the hook potentially for manslaughter. Defense of others might be a mitigation, but that is usually like shooting an active shooter. In this case I think that’s not what’s happening.
Sadly, I think the safe thing for you to do legally is to keep walking and forget you ever saw the lever.
Shit, in the US the police aren’t even required to intervene.
Nope. Not if you have any heart at all at least. The us has good samaritan laws in all 50 states, with minor variation. Sure, it’s technically possible you might be opening yourself to legal consequences if you help out, but the law as written protects you from being sued for it unless you do something incredibly fucking dumb. (moving a man with a broken spine out of a car is bad, unless the car is on fire).
In china, the opposite is true; everything you do other than inaction can very easily open you up to legal consequences. This is why you can see someone who drove an elderly couple to the er get sued by that couple, or a baby get run over by a truck with a good dozen people walking past without helping (same website).
There is the vague chance in the usa that helping might get you in trouble, but it is most certainly not the best choice to walk past them if something obviously bad that you can help with is going on.
I agree it’d be heartless to prosecute or sue a switch-thrower who was acting in good faith, but the family of someone killed often don’t have a ton of sympathy.
http://www.cprinstructor.com/DC-GS.htm
Using DC as an example, I don’t think that tampering with railroad equipment counts as “in good faith, rendering emergency medical care or assistance at the scene of an accident or other emergency” and it only covers against civil damages: basically it reduces private claims of negligence or liability when you did your best to stabilize an injured person. It gets into shaky ground when the person is not yet injured, and they become injured because of your actions. It also doesn’t prevent the government from trying you for manslaughter.
It’s definitely a messed up situation though, ideally we’d have further laws reducing the bystander effect and encouraging people to do whatever’s possible to help. Often we see that people already do, though, and fortunately(?) the situations are often far less clear cut and diabolical than the Trolley Problem.
I imagine it would very by jurisdiction as well as the specific facts of the case. Like if you’re a conductor for example and your job duties include keeping the tracks safe, failing to do so could be negligence, assuming the facts show that you reasonably could have prevented it
Most EU countries would not condemn you for doing either. That said, you are definitely on the hook for helping others if there is no risk to yourself or a third party in most civil law countries.
It’s a serious crime in most of Europe for example to drive past a car accident scene without verifying that help is on site.
This wiki page summarizes it well.
I just checked and it’s more of a crime in the Eastern EU, as most Western countries have fines or a few months of prison at most for this, while most Eastern Member States put you in prison for 2-3 years for it.
Okay, as someone who wants to live in Europe at some point in the future, I feel like I should get this straight.
If I drive by a car accident and there is clearly help on the scene, such as an ambulance, do I need to take any action?
If I drive by a car accident and there are a bunch of people already stopped, do I need to just ask one of them if help has been called?
If I drive by a car accident and no one is there, do I just need to call for help?
I know some first aid so I might stop regardless if there isn’t an ambulance there.
I am not a lawyer of any kind. The wiki does say:
"Many civil law systems, which are common in Continental Europe, Latin America and much of Africa, impose a far more extensive duty to rescue.[3] The duty is usually limited to doing what is “reasonable”. In particular, a helper does not have to substantially endanger themselves.[23]
This can mean that anyone who finds someone in need of medical help must take all reasonable steps to seek medical care and render best-effort first aid. Commonly, the situation arises on an event of a traffic accident: other drivers and passers-by must take an action to help the injured without regard to possible personal reasons not to help (e.g. having no time, being in a hurry) or ascertain that help has been requested from officials."
To apply this to your question, my interpretation is that if you come across a car accident and nobody is there, and you have some first aid training, you should first call emergency services, and then render as much aid as you reasonably can without endangering yourself. If the car is teetering on a cliff about to fall over, I sure as heck wouldn’t jump in. If the driver was ejected from the car and they are bleeding to death right in front of you then you should probably do your best to stop the bleeding if you can I guess. If the driver looks like they sustained heavy injuries and the car isn’t about to explode or fall of a cliff, then I would just hang out until an ambulance gets there because I wouldn’t want to break their neck moving them. Idk though, not a lawyer or a doctor so who knows.
