I know it might not look like it from the outside or when you’re young and excited about UK politics, but we tend to want our politicians not to simply meme through life by “saying incredibly based shit” 😉.
If Zack is going to lead the country or win a few more seats for the Greens he needs to stop shooting himself in the foot with these easy own goals.
It’s entirely possible to get excited about “based shit” (LOL sorry do people still talk like that haha) and at the same time expect higher standards of our politicians and hold them to account when they fall short. Because… you know… we’re adults.
You’re well within your rights to make such a judgement. Fortunately, the press has accurately reported the relative merits of Reform and the Greens, so that you can make an informed decision about your vote!
As per my other response. The scale is far different. If the criticism was proportional to the alleged wrongdoing, all this would be buried. You just can’t compare racism to saying something stupid on social media.
But who’s trying to equate them? Unless you’re simply looking at the surface stats of how many articles are written on the subjects and not the substance of them? Do you think that if the media reports ten times of Polanski’s silly words as a young adult and once on the foul bile that comes from Reform that this implies Polanski is ten times as bad? That’s not how it works.
This isn’t true. As I said in my other comment, the reason you know about the many corrupt and lying right wing politicians is that the press inform you.
expect higher standards of our politicians
Someone claiming, as Polanski does, that he’s going to change politics for the better is being held to his own standards (high or not) when people point out that he’s lying. It is reasonable, good and just to hold people to standards that they themselves espouse.
This isn’t true. As I said in my other comment, the reason you know about the many corrupt and lying right wing politicians is that the press inform you.
The scale is far, far different. If the criticism was proportional to the alleged wrongdoing, then all this about Polanski would be a needle buried deep in a haystack.
I suppose degrees of wrongness would always be technically subjective, but the difference is so stark it’s not really worth arguing about; being corrupt to the core, a fascist, serial liar, or worse, are things that simply don’t compare to saying something wrong on social media. The intent of the press is clear as day, they want to specifically hurt the Green Party in the local election, that’s why there’s this timing.
‘Timing’ is yet another element you’ve raised because it’s convenient. In fact you have no idea when the journalist who uncovered this particular lie did so, you’re simply assuming something underhand because it suits you to do so, not because there’s any evidence thereof.
Oh I see you’re doing the whole “adults in the room” Starmerite bit. Thankfully that doesn’t work because people can see the complete clown show that has unfolded.
I expect basic standards from politicians like not supporting genocide, banning protest, punishing the disabled and immigrants, appointing Epstein’s mates to incredibly important government positions.
But oh no Zack Polanski did a retweet or said something silly 6 years ago, better abandon all support and vote for scummy uniparty candidates.
But oh no Zack Polanski did a retweet or said something silly 6 years ago, better abandon all support and vote for scummy uniparty candidates.
Abandon all support? Is this how you’ve been reading these comments? Seriously? Take a step back and breathe a little, mate. Sounds like you’re imagining a scenario and then reacting to it.
Politicians should be held to account and that is one of the roles of the media. That’s not a controversial thing to say. Left wing, right wing, chicken wing: they should all be held to account on what they say and do. That doesn’t translate to “abandon all support and vote”. What kind of paranoia is this 🤣?
You’re supremely naïve or intentionally being obtuse if you think the UK media class is anything but fundamentally dishonest and irresponsible. Politicians can and should be held to account; but they always get an easy ride if they favour the status quo. You can’t gaslight anyone into not believing what they see and hear every single day. It’s not paranoia, it’s a clear pattern of behaviour. Like a bunch of negative pieces coming out practically in sync in the run up to polling day, much of which play fast and loose with the truth.
Let’s see if you’re brave enough to tell the class who you will be voting for.
Let’s see if you’re brave enough to tell the class who you will be voting for.
😂 Whilst most of the country has local elections. My part does not. So no-one 😉. However you’ll be very surprised to know I voted Green last time around. Why would you be surprised? Because you clearly think in black and white absolutes by the way you’re replying - you’re either with us or against us and any deviation will not be tolerated.
Of course you failed to address most of my comment, because you can’t refute what I said. You’ve got no argument, and smugness does not make up for that. If you are defending this joke of a media class, you are also a joke.
You can try the centrist “nuance” wank all you like, it’s very easy to support the guy who’s not an evil bastard, it’s a pretty straightforward black and white decision. Materially supporting the slaughter of Palestinians, among many other things, is significantly worse than anything Polanski has done.
Polanski made a lot of money with predatory schemes targeting vulnerable women, selling them hypnotherapy he claimed would increase their breast size. And he’s not sorry about it. He isn’t a good person.
Of course the gutter press want to talk about something stupid that he did years ago and apologised for rather than talk about what he wants to do now. It truly is bottom of the barrel stuff, pure desperation.
They don’t give a shit about vulnerable women, they want to protect the rich and powerful billionaire class. Vulnerable women are being blown to pieces in Gaza, having their meager benefits cut here at home, and facing unprecedented levels of violence under the current government.
Polanski is not perfect yet still a significantly better person than the fascists & genociders trying to take him down. He doesn’t even need to be a “good person”, just not abjectly evil like the rest.
I’m ignoring most of your comments because you sound agitated and aren’t communicating in good faith. You seem to be actively trolling the point that everyone needs to 100% agree with you or be deficient in some way. Sorry but that’s a bit tiring.
You’re free to have your own strong opinions on the matter but I don’t have to agree with you. 👍
He’s said and done incredibly based shit.
I know it might not look like it from the outside or when you’re young and excited about UK politics, but we tend to want our politicians not to simply meme through life by “saying incredibly based shit” 😉.
If Zack is going to lead the country or win a few more seats for the Greens he needs to stop shooting himself in the foot with these easy own goals.
It’s entirely possible to get excited about “based shit” (LOL sorry do people still talk like that haha) and at the same time expect higher standards of our politicians and hold them to account when they fall short. Because… you know… we’re adults.
Why does that only seem to apply to left-wing politicians, and the right gets a free pass?
There are streams and streams of Reform racists being called out daily in the press. Does that sound like a free pass to you?
Racism and a political miss step like the above, are not comparable.
One is a heinous immoral act that questions the very core of a persons ethical framework.
The other is at worst, stupidity or miscalculation.
Racism can never be an honest mistake.
You’re well within your rights to make such a judgement. Fortunately, the press has accurately reported the relative merits of Reform and the Greens, so that you can make an informed decision about your vote!
As per my other response. The scale is far different. If the criticism was proportional to the alleged wrongdoing, all this would be buried. You just can’t compare racism to saying something stupid on social media.
But who’s trying to equate them? Unless you’re simply looking at the surface stats of how many articles are written on the subjects and not the substance of them? Do you think that if the media reports ten times of Polanski’s silly words as a young adult and once on the foul bile that comes from Reform that this implies Polanski is ten times as bad? That’s not how it works.
This isn’t true. As I said in my other comment, the reason you know about the many corrupt and lying right wing politicians is that the press inform you.
Someone claiming, as Polanski does, that he’s going to change politics for the better is being held to his own standards (high or not) when people point out that he’s lying. It is reasonable, good and just to hold people to standards that they themselves espouse.
The scale is far, far different. If the criticism was proportional to the alleged wrongdoing, then all this about Polanski would be a needle buried deep in a haystack.
This is subjective whataboutism.
I suppose degrees of wrongness would always be technically subjective, but the difference is so stark it’s not really worth arguing about; being corrupt to the core, a fascist, serial liar, or worse, are things that simply don’t compare to saying something wrong on social media. The intent of the press is clear as day, they want to specifically hurt the Green Party in the local election, that’s why there’s this timing.
‘Timing’ is yet another element you’ve raised because it’s convenient. In fact you have no idea when the journalist who uncovered this particular lie did so, you’re simply assuming something underhand because it suits you to do so, not because there’s any evidence thereof.
The evidence is the pattern, the fact that it has become so predictable.
Oh I see you’re doing the whole “adults in the room” Starmerite bit. Thankfully that doesn’t work because people can see the complete clown show that has unfolded.
I expect basic standards from politicians like not supporting genocide, banning protest, punishing the disabled and immigrants, appointing Epstein’s mates to incredibly important government positions.
But oh no Zack Polanski did a retweet or said something silly 6 years ago, better abandon all support and vote for scummy uniparty candidates.
Green surge. Cope.
Abandon all support? Is this how you’ve been reading these comments? Seriously? Take a step back and breathe a little, mate. Sounds like you’re imagining a scenario and then reacting to it.
Politicians should be held to account and that is one of the roles of the media. That’s not a controversial thing to say. Left wing, right wing, chicken wing: they should all be held to account on what they say and do. That doesn’t translate to “abandon all support and vote”. What kind of paranoia is this 🤣?
You’re supremely naïve or intentionally being obtuse if you think the UK media class is anything but fundamentally dishonest and irresponsible. Politicians can and should be held to account; but they always get an easy ride if they favour the status quo. You can’t gaslight anyone into not believing what they see and hear every single day. It’s not paranoia, it’s a clear pattern of behaviour. Like a bunch of negative pieces coming out practically in sync in the run up to polling day, much of which play fast and loose with the truth.
Let’s see if you’re brave enough to tell the class who you will be voting for.
😂 Whilst most of the country has local elections. My part does not. So no-one 😉. However you’ll be very surprised to know I voted Green last time around. Why would you be surprised? Because you clearly think in black and white absolutes by the way you’re replying - you’re either with us or against us and any deviation will not be tolerated.
Anyways fun chatting with you.
Of course you failed to address most of my comment, because you can’t refute what I said. You’ve got no argument, and smugness does not make up for that. If you are defending this joke of a media class, you are also a joke.
You can try the centrist “nuance” wank all you like, it’s very easy to support the guy who’s not an evil bastard, it’s a pretty straightforward black and white decision. Materially supporting the slaughter of Palestinians, among many other things, is significantly worse than anything Polanski has done.
Polanski made a lot of money with predatory schemes targeting vulnerable women, selling them hypnotherapy he claimed would increase their breast size. And he’s not sorry about it. He isn’t a good person.
Of course the gutter press want to talk about something stupid that he did years ago and apologised for rather than talk about what he wants to do now. It truly is bottom of the barrel stuff, pure desperation.
They don’t give a shit about vulnerable women, they want to protect the rich and powerful billionaire class. Vulnerable women are being blown to pieces in Gaza, having their meager benefits cut here at home, and facing unprecedented levels of violence under the current government.
Polanski is not perfect yet still a significantly better person than the fascists & genociders trying to take him down. He doesn’t even need to be a “good person”, just not abjectly evil like the rest.
I’m ignoring most of your comments because you sound agitated and aren’t communicating in good faith. You seem to be actively trolling the point that everyone needs to 100% agree with you or be deficient in some way. Sorry but that’s a bit tiring.
You’re free to have your own strong opinions on the matter but I don’t have to agree with you. 👍
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