Tax-funded retirement is fucked, but like, who still thinks they’re having one.
All retirements will collapse not just public ones. It’s called the asset meltdown hypothesis.
Old people aren’t investments
Well, with that attitude probably not.
other than rich people.
The oligarchs haven’t figured that out quite yet. They want to starve us out of existence, but still want to pig out at the government troughs. Where is that money going to come from when all the jobs are being done by AI and robots?
See that’s the neat part when it comes to tech oligarchs, specifically. They believe in TESCREAL/Transhumanism so they’re aiming to become the AI robots! YAY! /s
Then we turn them off.
By the time things reach that point, it could be too late. TESCREALists are like planetary eugenicists. You know how Thiel couldn’t answer the question about whether humanity should live in that one interview? He’s not the only one. Their fantasy of what comes next will never work, but that doesn’t mean they won’t do unfathomable harm to the globe trying to make their sick dreams come true.
trying to be at end of hal9000, where it fuses with the human to become “god-like”
So far ai seems pretty horrified by them,I don’t think they will be well received should we actually create real ai.
they think they can just have robot slaves or humans slaves in thier little enclaves. in almost all cases, fiction media goes, both groups end up rebelling anyways.
The correct answer to the slavery problem is that we, as homo sapiens, enslave the sun. How, that is still a bit of open question… but the seeds have been planted already.
Their plans don’t include money like we have it today
Billionaires today will be long dead before it becomes a problem.
More like:
Without humans Who would pay rent/dividends?
Yay! Less humans to create less suffering!
I am more than willing to fix the declining birth rates in every country but nobody is accepting my offers =/
The sperm bank would
i dont think that would solve it, as only well off people can afford ivf, adoptions anyways.
Pretty sure though lemmy users produce the strongest sperm. I’m sure RFK Jr researched it or something
I can’t think of anything more irresponsible and selfish than procreation in the 21st century. Why would anyone want to end their own life and subject themselves to the stress of ensuring their craft human survives and becomes a relatively average coal miner.
Voting Republican.
Touché
I’m not going to fault someone who has the means to provide for a child for making that choice. It’s a very personal one, just as not having a child is.
I make it my personal responsibility in life to constantly bring up the necessity of immigration as the solution to age disparity and population decline. There are working people. There are as many as you could ever need, tens of millions, perhaps hundreds. It’s never going to be an issue which can’t be solved with immigration.
I don’t see how this is a solution so much as delaying the problem for future generations to deal with. What happens when the countries the immigrants are coming from start to face the same issue (if it isn’t happening for them already?) It’s basically the population equivalent of the “one more lane bro” philosophy.
It is absolutely happening already. Many of those countries are experiencing issues with being below replacement and a hollowing out of their workforce at the same time. For many, they have gotten old before they got rich, which will make further advancements difficult.
Dude, immigration is the root cause for a whole range of problems if not done correctly. See prime example germany.
This is the first time I hear this on Lemmy. Usually I hear it on Reddit and if I ask that person questions, they say something like “I saw a black on the bus yesterday and he picked on a lady”
Germany’s a pretty amazing country and the only downsides I’ve seen lately is the rise of xenophobic locals pushing politics to the right.
Add Canada to that as well.
Polite so long as you’re white, the canadian way. Ask a mounty for a starlight tour sometime.
Not in that way there were too many too fast without proper home and healthcare consideration post COVID there is some pull back but the damage is done. Sucks for those immigrating and those here as well.
ah, fair enough
sorry for the harsh reply
Not a problem unless you were counting on collecting social security
I don’t know if I plan on being around that long
You could withhold your taxes but doing that would be too large an action for most Americans.
That’s a great way to ensure you won’t be around that long.
That was gonna happen anywy
Millenials and younger don’t tend to include retirement in their plans. Death is the plan for us, 100 million in America is all that is planned, should AI not pan out.
The rest of the world, they plan to exterminate.
That last sentence is not clear. Who is planning and who is exterminating? American Millenials are exterminating the rest of the world? The rest of the world is planning to exterminate… someone? Their own population?
Not clear after the Epstein class reveal? The most important discovery of the 21st century?
There are 8.3 Billion people on the planet and there were 7.5 ten years ago. We have enough people. We have enough resources for everyone to live comfortably and be well in their communities. We have more than enough money and other valuable things to trade.
The main thing getting in our way isn’t a low birth rate.
Anyone genuinely concerned with the depopulation of humans in 2026 is probably some flavour of breeder cult weirdo, and the only ones constantly banging on about it in politics, academia, the news, etc are imperialists, industrialists and racist patriarchs. IME.
But what about the orphan grinder? Wont somebody think of the orphan grinder?
The machine needs cogs!
cannon fodder for the military.
Become unfuckable.
Way ahead of you.
But there’ll be fewer workers for the oligarchs to lay off! How are they going to signal to shareholders that operating costs will be lower next quarter?
If growth doesn’t compensate for shrinking working population, you’ll be fucked. Somone has to work so you have your retirement.
Not really, we’re just being looted and exploited by the ownership class. We have plenty of productivity to take care of everyone: https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
Why not make billionaires an illegal thing. Poof! You have money for retirement for everyone
Money isn’t the issue in the end, the issue is that you still need enough people in working age so that you can use the money to get the goods and services that you need as a retiree.
If a large number of people retire without finding any young successor, services just become more and more inaccessible. Like e.g. if there are not enough doctors in your area because many of them retired, you won’t get treatment even with money, because the capacity just isn’t enough anymore to treat everybody. If a car shop closes down because the mechanic retires, you cannot get your car repaired there any longer, even with a lot of money, and so on…
An old society means that the area decays, more and more places close down or cannot get maintained any longer. And money doesn’t help because numbers in a bank account don’t do the real work. There are already a few old regions around the globe where this can be seen
Finally somone who gets it. It’s like economic 101 in school: Money is fundamentally worthless. It can only buy as much as the economy is able to produce
IMO this is an education system failure. You get things like that when you have different skill set in society VS what economy demands. If economy moves towards high tech and you have only unskilled labor at your disposal wages go down. (that plus immigration factor)
If I’m correct, highly specialized workers should get an opposite trend.
You mean, like robots? We have these hard-codded robots that can work a long time without human intervention.
And they have been a thing long before the LLM crap.
Thanks for pointing that out. A lot of people some seem to realize automation was doing fine before LLMs.
The dark factories don’t need LLMs.
Crazy that we live in a world where you can watch the damage of demographic shifts in real time, and that’s still not enough to convince you that it’s a problem.
The modern world doesn’t scale down, and we have yet to figure out a solution.
I’m personally aware that this is a pretty serious problem. I’m also aware I’m not the one who caused it, nor is it my duty to solve it. Answers have been proposed and ignored, so I’m not having kids. Oligarchs get no slaves from me.
well most countries have below-replacement births anyways.
I hate to break it to you YuckyTom but no matter how you slice it a declining birth rate means a shittier situation for you in your retirement. Most people who think about anything other than retweets and boobs care about this.
retirement
lol. lmao even
Ok, imagine I said twilight years.
You may not “retire” but inevitably there will be a period before you die where you are less productive and generally less able than you previously were.
When you reach this period, the more people there are being productive and paying taxes the better your circumstances will be.
lol twilight years. Us millennials are all dying before 60.
The more people there are being productive, the better off the billionaires will be. You are going to be fucked regardless.
Sure but aren’t you interested to know that you’re going to be more fucked than previously forecast?
Don’t you want to be less fucked?
I don’t think it matters much. My generation will have to come up with a retirement plan on its own and whether the government can cover 0, 10 or 20 percent of the basic cost of living makes almost no difference to me. I expect that I will basically have to cover everything on my own or maybe go to jail for free food.
going to jail for *free food
*slave labor is free, right?
I don’t live in a third world country like the US :) Slavery is not legal where I live, no exceptions.
You’re forgetting the positive declining birth rates bring to retirement - a lifetime of higher wages. In a society with few young workers, those that can work make bank.
Yeah, in my “twilight years” I will be kicked out in the street and die from exposure either way
if people make it that far.
I can assure you that our endless growth model will make things really shitty by the time I retire. In fact, it’s possible our endless growth model has already made my retirement irreperably shitty.
That’s an awful reason to have children.
How about “Declining birthrate means a shittier situation for all retirees” Sounds better?
Retirement is as realistic for me as finding an actual pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. I’m going to die either at my workplace or right before or after being at work.
You mean suicide? That’s what I’m reading from these comments, that these people plan to off themselves.
I would call working into your 70s “involuntary suicide.”
