but every pixel that was generated that you don’t change is a choice that the bot made that you didn’t
the bot made zero choices. It consulted your prompt (a choice you made) and then it consulted a database full of pre-existing human-made art that has been curated and labelled and statistically sorted. Also at some point some random noise is introduced so it doesn’t generate the same thing twice. Bots do not make choices. These are statistical models. It’s helpful not to mystify them or attribute agency to them.
Also I don’t get the point of gatekeeping art according to technical ability, which just comes down to how much free time you have to practice, your level of educational attainment, how much disposable income you have to pay for said education, and your physical ability. If a person with no arms decides to generate a painting with AI from a carefully written prompt they came up with, and someone says “that’s not real art because you didn’t use your hands”… what is the point of that? If an idea comes to mind, you should be free to make it however you want.
I never said the bot made choices. I said it removed choices from the artist.
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but every pixel that was generated that you don’t change is a choice that the bot made that you didn’t
Now that you have clarified what you really meant, that is helpful, but I hope you can see why I was confused by your original wording (bolded above). Also I don’t think it removes choices from the artist since the artist is still free to discard whatever the AI makes and re-generate it or use a more traditional method. The freedom to reject the output if you don’t like it is a choice along with the choice to make the prompt.
Also I never said you need technical ability to make art
That’s fair. I’m sorry for misunderstanding you in that regard. I just find this subject interesting. I’m not coming at this from a place of anger or trying to annoy people.
untold billions of hours of stolen labor from poor countries.
Your correct and I wouldn’t dream of disagreeing with this.
Last thing: don’t fucking come at me with an argument about gatekeeping based on class and wealth when the only reason this fucking toy exists for you to play with in the first place is
Nevertheless I think it’s more of a tool than a toy. The problem is that the tools are made by the workers and owned by the capitalists. We should be reacting to that economic arrangement and not the tools themselves.
every pixel that was generated that you don’t change is a choice that the bot made that you didn’t, a tiny bit of alienation from your own work that you have invited into the artistic process, and frankly that cheapens it.
This is a really good argument I think for excluding most AI content from “art”. You put into words that disappointing, unamused feeling you get after the novelty wears off when you learn an image is AI. Like it’s illegitimate but you can’t explain why because historically art has always been pushing boundaries and making people question art itself. Maybe in the future, people saying this will be considered luddites who can’t appreciate “painting with words” or whatever.
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the bot made zero choices. It consulted your prompt (a choice you made) and then it consulted a database full of pre-existing human-made art that has been curated and labelled and statistically sorted. Also at some point some random noise is introduced so it doesn’t generate the same thing twice. Bots do not make choices. These are statistical models. It’s helpful not to mystify them or attribute agency to them.
Also I don’t get the point of gatekeeping art according to technical ability, which just comes down to how much free time you have to practice, your level of educational attainment, how much disposable income you have to pay for said education, and your physical ability. If a person with no arms decides to generate a painting with AI from a carefully written prompt they came up with, and someone says “that’s not real art because you didn’t use your hands”… what is the point of that? If an idea comes to mind, you should be free to make it however you want.
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Now that you have clarified what you really meant, that is helpful, but I hope you can see why I was confused by your original wording (bolded above). Also I don’t think it removes choices from the artist since the artist is still free to discard whatever the AI makes and re-generate it or use a more traditional method. The freedom to reject the output if you don’t like it is a choice along with the choice to make the prompt.
That’s fair. I’m sorry for misunderstanding you in that regard. I just find this subject interesting. I’m not coming at this from a place of anger or trying to annoy people.
Your correct and I wouldn’t dream of disagreeing with this.
Nevertheless I think it’s more of a tool than a toy. The problem is that the tools are made by the workers and owned by the capitalists. We should be reacting to that economic arrangement and not the tools themselves.
This is a really good argument I think for excluding most AI content from “art”. You put into words that disappointing, unamused feeling you get after the novelty wears off when you learn an image is AI. Like it’s illegitimate but you can’t explain why because historically art has always been pushing boundaries and making people question art itself. Maybe in the future, people saying this will be considered luddites who can’t appreciate “painting with words” or whatever.