This comes after an order to evacuate a city with >0.7 million inhabitants within 24h without preparation, with broken infrastructure and broken government, with a treat of invasion.
There’s no way this happen without panic, and without people being left behind.
I fear we’re going to hear more horrific stories as the dust settles.
This comes with the Hamas having no interest to do any favour in Israel’s direction even sacrifice Palestinians if it supports their plan.
This is war don’t trust anyone, no news no pictures from both sides.
@Fermiverse the news that most of us are interested in is coming from respected medical staff, reporters, and humanitarian NGOs.
I have no particular reason to distrust those three groups.
There are more than two “sides” here. Personally I am on the side of innocent civilians, no matter what their ethnicity or religion are.
There were many innocent civilians living in Nazi Germany, and a lot of them died in the interest of stopping them.
We try to minimize innocent deaths in war, but when the group you are fighting against uses hospitals as military locations and innocent people as human shields, it becomes difficult to do so
There were also horrific war crimes in WW2, including the bombing of civilians. War crimes are war crimes no matter who commits them.
I don’t think it’s really an appropriate comparison to make, but since you are making it, approximately 0.4% to 0.6% of Germans were killed by bombing in WW2.
The death toll in Gaza is already at 0.75% of the population, and growing.
a lot of them died in the interest of stopping them.
You are conflating innocent people with armed forces in this sentence. My point was that it is not the same “them”.
You are being drawn in by Israeli propaganda. Look at more balanced news sources, or just a wider range. The ‘human shield’ myth is particularly awful as it’s being used to defend murdering innocent people.
I’m not. I’m old, and have been following this conflict for decades. Hamas very often targets innocent Israelis in their attacks, and hides behind innocent Palestinians to make it difficult for Israel to target them. You can argue about whether it is justifiable or not that they do this, but there are many, many sources that they do.
I’m also old and have been following this conflict for decades but apparently more balanced sources.
Israel claimed that they were targeting Hamas at Al-Shifa but they positioned snipers who shot doctors and nurses through the windows. If you’re being forced to attack a hospital full of innocent civilians then you would be trying to avoid the innocent civilians, but that’s not what it’s about here.
Same as taking swathes of land since WW2, they are occupying massive areas that they were never given. They’re not ignorant, they know exactly what they’re doing.
The first casualty of war is truth.
But of course no one will act on calls to blame Israel for the hospital needing to be evacuated in the first place…
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“You see, the birth canal is a tunnel and we all know Hamas is using tunnels to move around without observation. The babies just used tunnels, so they must be Hamas.”
I really hoped this wasn’t true.
I don’t understand what mother would leave their baby behind while panicking. This is a horrible story that is perhaps more horrible that initially assumed.
Uhm, panic, bombing, threat of being captured? Being invaded… again?
Also, WCNSF?
The mothers may not even have been alive and medical staff simply can’t evacuate premature babies and all the ICU equipment needed to keep them alive.
This story is absolutely going to be used as “look how inhuman and barbarous these Palestinians are, good thing we’re genociding them” and your comment is exactly what they’re looking for.
But the reality is that if you shoot and bomb civilians, then threaten to bomb the hospital they’re being treated at, this could happen anywhere in the world.
They weren’t leaving babies to die and rot 6 months ago because they weren’t being shelled and shot at and if they weren’t being shelled and shot at now, they wouldn’t have left those babies either.
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@Sina no mother would, and under normal circumstances neither would medical staff. As the article states, staff were pleading for help.
These babies were in an Intensive Care unit. Most were premature babies who were supposed to be in incubators. They are vulnerable and need to be kept warm, may be tube fed or require oxygen. It’s difficult for parents, who usually cannot be there all the time.
It is more likely that the mothers were unable to get to the ICU. We do not yet know how many died trying.
