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Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.
Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the “Loli” announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.
Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?
There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?
edit: UPDATE
I’m taking it as a backtrack, but it’s still not an instance I want to associate with.
Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven’t seen any alternatives though
Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.
I dont think it was a case of “whoops bad English” like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.
Beehaw was right to defederate many instances and so should we. Beehaw is crazy but not that crazy.
Defederate these instances, what are you so afraid of? Some people here are going full throttle on the freedom of blabla, don’t listen to them. Ban this stuff, do you really want Kbin to be known as “this network”? Do you want this reputation? I don’t. If you want more then register to another instance which accepts this stuff but don’t drag all our infrastructure with you.
Federating this content puts the servers of Ernest in danger.
edit: downvote me more, I take it as a badge of honor because I know who it’s coming from.
I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see. the second something is defederated/blocked, it becomes a slippery slope of crying to block this or that, and taking away power from the users.
I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see.
There has to be a line though.
I think each person should be allowed to choose what that line is for them, and not have that line chosen for them.
Disclaimer: I was a victim of child SA, I do not support or condone SA. But I DO support pedophiles who have never and will never act on their desires having a SAFE NONVIOLENT FICTIONAL outlet for their perverted fantasies, if anything so they don’t take that shit out on innocent children.
A friend (therapist) of mine worked with pedophiles and the story they told them is that consuming that content leads to more and more desire to actual assault a child.
I’m no expert in that field, but I personally would rather see such content banned and people that look for it to be served ads that help them.
Yes. This is exactly like study after study about violence in video games. Consumption of violent content in video games leads to more and more desire to actually be violent to people.
IMO, unless it’s explicitly illegal, people should be free to share/say/discuss it. let people decide what they wish to see on their own and curate their own experience.
I believe illustrated child porn is illegal here in Canada, as well as other countries (not going to google it though). Seems like it isn’t in the US? I find it kind of shocking that so many people don’t see an issue with it, tbh.
Its not an issue for those you can seperate what they think is ok from what they think should be allowable due to peoples personal freedom. A drawing is a creation of an artist from some sort of media. When its created, no one gets hurt. When its consumed, no one gets hurt. Will I be a consumer. Nope but I also believe in legalization of prositution without planning to go to one. I was for marijuana legalization and have never used it. Rights are not just about what I think is fine.
And which legal system would we be using here?
server host’s laws. the goal being to avoid legal takedowns. I’m a free speech maximalist. The only thing that should ever be taken down IMO is nonconsensual nsfw photos/videos. So cp, revenge porn, deepfakes, etc. along with literal off-topic spam (spammy affiliate links).
Is this you u/spez on some mission to destroy the federated world before it had a chance to grow up?
You wrote:
Guess other instances do not care regardless even if its correctly flagged and tagged and everything. I had a discussion about this topic with the mods of feddit.de, but they are firm to block whole instances if there is any NSFW community on it. No matter what. I am now on kbin and deleted my account there.
Why don’t you open an account on one of those instance instead of pushing it in our throats?
No one wants to shove petite Asian ladies into your throat. Just don’t subscribe to those communities/magazines. That NSFW magazines appear in All is nothing but a technical issue.
Why the hell do you think having 5 accounts so you can subscribe to everything you want is acceptable.It’s always the fucking furries
Everyone will note that you never address the pedo data ending up hosted by Ernest if we don’t defederate. You never talk about that, it’s always about you, you you. Well sorry for you but you are not alone and there are real-life implications to hosting this content.
This pedo content has nothing to do on this server.
Just don’t subscribe to those communities/magazines.
No, YOU go out and get your illegal content from the source.
No one here speaks about child pornography but you.
Go run your own instance, you will be able to federate with whoever you want. Your instance = your responsibility.
Again, no one is talking about child porn beside you. Everything lemmynsfw allows is legal in any jurisdiction. And everything it disallows like Loli and shota is clearly something no one wants to see here on kbin or lemmy even if it is legal in many parts of the world. The line is right there and lemmynsfw never challaned it.
saying loli is drawn child porn
:| loli does not refer to children. there are loli adults.
I don’t think everyone would think of that as ‘drawn child porn’. Plenty of live action ‘school girl’ stuff out there and that usually gets a pass. Pretty much every amateur video is implied to be incestuous now, are they promoting having sex with school kids and incest?
Terms like ‘barely legal’ and ‘young teen’ are used all the time, do you think there aren’t people out there imagining those girls being younger than 18? If some Loli drawings are where you draw the line then it seems like an odd place to do so. Does nothing for me personally, I prefer drawings of young boys misbehaving, swearing and defecating /s (South Park).
I’m not here to argue about the nuance of drawn pictures of naked kids.
I don’t care. Lemmynsfw can do whatever they want.
The point is there is going to be NSFW instances, and im:
a) warning people not interested in that shit that lemmynsfw is not the place to go, and
b) asking if there are any other alternativesIn that case a simple ‘What are the best NSFW instances?’ would have sufficed perhaps with a line stating that you don’t enjoy hentai / loli. You cared about the nuance when you called it child porn despite knowing the actual genre is ‘loli’.
Big difference between something not being your cup of tea and full blown child porn accusations. I might not enjoy someone sending me an eggplant emoji but I wouldn’t call the police and say I’ve just been harassed by a drawn picture of a purple cock.
Hope you find an instance to your tastes and I hope you can get your questions answered in future without feeling the need to incite a mob.
No, I’m warning people who don’t want to see pictures of naked kids that the instance is cool with that content.
Hentai isn’t the issue. The issue is
We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content
Most people don’t want that. If you do, more power to ya bud
Nice straw man. Hope you can find the actual IRL underage content you’re looking for rather than just drawings. See how that works?
Where is the straw man?
Warning people who dont want underage content on their feed?
Directly quoting the announcement title?
Saying most people dont want that content but if you do good for you?Literally none of those are strawmen
Well… we’re talking about some manga drawings which might just look like Funko pops with breasts to some but you decided to instead say that we’re irrefutably talking about ‘pictures of naked kids’, a massive oversimplification which makes your argument look stronger.
‘if you do then more power to ya bud’ to make it sound like I enjoy that content despite the fact that I’ve already said that it does nothing for me. A misrepresentation of my position.
That’s what makes it a straw man argument in my opinion.
Anyway thanks for the debate, I haven’t followed on with what happened in the rest of the thread and really regret engaging with it in the first place. Sorry if I offended you, it’s hard to get points across via text sometimes and I probably came off a bit strong.
None of this really affects me as I don’t use Lemmy for NSFW content, I like the platform though and don’t want to believe that it would be used for underage content so I guess we pretty much agree where it counts but came at it from different angles.
Peace and love
Yea look, I got a bit heated about it and I sincerely apologise for that.
Im glad I brought it up though, enough people have been pissed off about the decision that they seem to have taken a hard 180 on the topic, so alls well that ends well for the time being.
And yea I agree there are always different angles, and with so many people moving to a new platform for different reasons there is always going to be some butting heads.
Im just worried that the fediverse is going to take a turn and be overun by edgelords like what has happened with so many “reddit alternatives” in the past.
Anyway, peace and love for sure my dude/dudette
You can block whole communities as user. Personally, I’m not interested in Loli, but their users voted to allow it.
They voted? How? How many people are even in that community so far? Seems like the kind of thing to revisit as it grows.
