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Former President Donald Trump was indicted for an unprecedented third time on August 1, adding another set of serious federal charges to the mounting legal issues he faces.
Trump was indicted as part of the Department of Justice’s criminal investigation, led by special counsel Jack Smith, into the January 6, 2021 insurrection at the US Capitol. The indictment marks the second time Trump has faced federal charges, and he remains the only president to have been federally indicted.
The indictment is the product of a months-long investigation in which Smith’s team questioned several high-profile members of Trump’s circle, including his son-in-law Jared Kushner and former White House communications director Hope Hicks. It follows the House January 6th committee’s investigation last year, which concluded that Trump incited the insurrection and conspired to defraud the US government, referring him and other associates to the DOJ for prosecution.
Trump seemed to know the indictment was coming. He posted August 1 on TruthSocial that Smith “will be putting out yet another Fake Indictment of your Favorite President, me,” and previously posted on the platform that he’d received what’s known as a target letter from Smith. He wrote, “They have now effectively indicted me three times,” and called the investigation a “WITCH HUNT” as well as “POLITICAL WEAPONIZATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT” in that earlier, July 18 post.
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Trump pushed the big lie that the election was stolen. Trump lost in the courts[1](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/us/elections/trump-campaign-lawsuits.html) including the Supreme Court.[2](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55283024) Then he tried to pressure state officials.[3](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/01/03/trump-pressured-georgia-election-official-call-washington-post-report-says/4119948001/) He tried to pressure Pence.[4](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/05/trump-pressures-pence-election-results-455069)
So what does he do after exhausting all nonviolent methods of overturning the election? He turns to his supporters and lights them up making inflammatory statements such as;
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We are going to fight for the survival of the nation.
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Now is not the time to retreat, its to fight harder.
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We will never give in, never back down, never surrender.
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We will fight like hell.
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You have to get your people to fight.
He primed them for weeks.
State officials had started getting death threats weeks before the attempted insurrection following the general election.[5](https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/01/940961602/someones-going-to-get-killed-ga-official-blasts-gop-silence-on-election-threats) Trump saw first hand what violence was being created as his supporters rioted and vandalized black churches in Washington back in December.[6](https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2020/12/13/black-churches-vandalized-four-stabbed-dozens-arrested-at-pro-trump-rallies-in-washington.html)
Trump didn’t stop his incitement after the initial violence, he got more specific. He told his supporters how, when, and where. He gave them 18 days notice inviting them to the rally telling them to be there, that it will be wild.[7](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/capitol-mob-trump-supporters.html) And on the day of the insurrection Trump told his supporters to march on the Capitol and fight like hell.
Following the riot Trump continued to promote the big lie that had incited the insurrection. After the mob was dispersed, Trump praised and sympathized with the mob in a video he released, claiming once again that the election had been stolen.[8](https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-you-feel-draws-bipartisan-condemnation-11609977209) Then he praised the insurrection in a tweet after the mob had been dispersed. He told his mob to remember Jan. 6 forever. He said that he loved the insurrectionists and that the violent mob were special people.
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New York Times - Over 30 Trump Campaign Lawsuits Have Failed. Some Rulings Are Scathing.
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BBC - US Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed bid to overturn election
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Politico - Trump pressures Pence to throw out election results — even though he can’t
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Wall Street Journal - Trump Tells Rioters, ‘I Know How You Feel,’ Draws Bipartisan Condemnation
I absolutely LOVE that PoppinKREAM is on the fediverse too. We don’t deserve you, my dude, but we’re glad you’re here.
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u/schnoodledoodledoo please
I still haven’t gotten my poem so I would really welcome u/poem_for_your_sprog. If I comment enough I’ll get one eventually, right?
Poppinkream is a woman if I’m not mistaken!
You might be. I don’t think anyone knows except the KREAM themselves.
Knowledge Rules Everything Around Me
It doesn’t matter either way. Let the legend be themselves. As a wo/man they can be corruptable. But as a KREAM they can be something more
Yes, pretty sure this was revealed over on that other site
Pretend like I know who that is but explain who it is as if I didn’t know, please
It’s the person who left the comment above the one you commented on.
But seriously though they tend to leave really good comments with links to valid sources. Great to see them here adding that kind of good info to discussions.
In a phone call, Trump tried to pressure officials in Georgia into making tens thousands of votes disappear to try and steal the 2020 election. They found no illegal votes, refused to overturn the results and began receiving death threats from Trump’s supporters.[1](https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55153918)
After Trump had exhausted all legal forms of overturning the election; From having over 60 frivolous lawsuits thrown out from all levels of courts including the conservative leaning Supreme Court (Trump picked 3 justices out of 9), after his Attorney General Barr resigned (an individual that covered/stalled investigations for Trump), Trump turned to his stalwart supporter in Vice-President Pence. A lie was pushed that Mike Pence could refuse to certify the election results as he presided over the counting of the ballots of the electoral college during the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6. Pence refused this illegal power grab. Having no further recourse Trump and his minions incited an insurrection during a rally Trump held at the same time the E.C. ballots were being certified. Trump’s supporters erected a gallows, stormed the capital where several people subsequently lost their lives including police officers. Politicians were incredibly lucky they escaped. For example Capitol Police Officer Goodman’s quick and heroic decision to lead an angry mob away from where congressionable members were hiding probably saved many lives. This mob was chanting hang Mike Pence, many of whom wore tactical gear, carried zip ties used, and used flagpoles, fire extinguishers, and chemical sprays as weapons while attacking those that protected Congress.[2](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/mike-pence-donald-trump-republicans-religion-evangelical)
Oh shit! PoppinKREAM is on Lemmy! Fuck ya!
Good to see you here @PoppinKREAM@sh.itjust.works !
Didn’t see the username, still knew instinctively who posted it.
Poppinkream living the dream, great to see you make an appearance on here
It’s been a long 7 years of FA. We’re finally getting to the FO stage. Couldn’t have happened to a better former 1 term president.
I won’t consider this FO until he faces real consequences.
True, and I fear more violence on the horizon as Trump’s violent rhetoric ramps up at his campaign rallies.
I know patience is required, but FO is the best part. I have special popcorn for this.
The myth! The legend! Happy to see you here, PK!! Great info as usual :)
Edit: something is wacky so apologies if this showed up twice. I tried to delete one but not sure if it worked.
Holy shit @PoppinKREAM - glad to see your work here! You have my award for best citizen journalist to ever post on Reddit. Welcome to the Fediverse!
What a pleasure it is to see you over here.
Hadn’t looked at the user name and thought, “This looks like a PoppinKREAM post.”
What made Reddit so special were dedicated users like you. Glad you’re on the fediverse. I love the vibe of this place. It reminds me of 2011 Reddit.
I’m so glad to see you on here. Keep up the great work!
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You’re here! PoppinKREAM in the digital flesh!!!
Feels good, don’t it? 😎
We’re not worthy. Love d 💕 your post on Reddit. Welcome to the Fediverse!
So glad to see that you’ve landed here with the rest of us. Your posts are always detailed and informative and a welcome addition to any discussion.
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Can’t wait to see what specific statutes, evidence and witnesses they have to cite. Pretty crazy anyone supported this psycho after Jan 6
Trump hasn’t exactly been a recluse even before he got into politics. People should have known better even in 2016.
they DID know better, but racists would throw their own children into fire if it meant “mud people” MIGHT get it worse than they have it, and so they proceeded to just that
My brothers-in-law were talking about how he should be president way back in 2012. I laughed it off back then.
My brother in law voted for Trump, but luckily (I guess) he’s also a respiratory therapist and how Trump handled COVID must have opened his eyes to how full of shit Trump is. He’s full on anti Trump these days, but I still give him some shit about being so gullible in 2016.
Meanwhile, one of mine demanded that his doctor prescribe him hydroxychloroquine if he got COVID
I’m sorry for your loss, haha.
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Quite thorough, as expected from Jack Smith.
It’s pretty crazy they ever supported him.
Jack Smith came to chew bubble gum and kick ass
And he’s all out of bubblegum
He never even HAD bubblegum! It was a ruse this whole time!
Nice username. If only his punishment could be bridge four.
Fuck that. Even Moash is better than Trump!
It follows the House January 6th committee’s investigation last year, which concluded that Trump incited the insurrection
So, clearly then, without any doubt, he has been found by congress to be disqualified by the 14th Amendment section 3.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/
Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Clearly, allowing him to be the GOP is a Constitutional Crisis as he CONSTUITIONALLY CANNOT be president, even if elected.
I’ve posted about this before, but most of the legal interpretations I have seen from attorneys that I believe to be credible have said that he would need to be charged specifically with either: treason, inciting am insurrection, or aiding an insurrection. That is not what he has been charged with in this initial indictment, so I wouldn’t get my hopes up.
Lastly, just want to make it clear I also believe he should be barred from running for office (and/or) serving in government ever again. However, I just don’t know if this is going to be disqualifying via the 14th Ammendment without a serious fight in the Legislature and Judiciary.
Also, an indictment is not the same thing as a conviction. I’d imagine you’d need a conviction before a 14th amendment claim
Does a trial have to convict him of being guilty of the insurrection first? Or does the committees conclusion count as making him ineligible to hold office?
All three indictments have presented a conundrum for those looking to displace Trump as the GOP frontrunner. Recognizing his continued grip on the Republican primary voters and the risk of alienating them,
This is a pretty good summary of why things are so effed up in the country.
Popcorn time!
Trump is expected to be arraigned at the D.C. district court on Thursday, Aug. 3 before Magistrate Judge Moxila A. Upadhyaya.
Let’s go!
It’s a federal court, so no cameras
What does this usually mean for the timeline overall with respect to trial and next steps?
It all depends on how the judge rules. The defense wants to delay everything until after the election, so if Trump wins, he can pardon himself. His other trial date is set for April though.
That’s my birthday! This year, I’ll be celebrating a little extra! On my 48th, 45 will be arraigned for the 3rd time.
He did it! The mad lad did it! Trump got an indictment Hat Trick! Now let’s see if he can stick the landing (straight to jail).
This is the second federal indictment brought by the special counsel actually.
Lock
herhim up!Good but I hope this is just the beginning for holding this typical Republican to account for his actions.
This is just the beginning of a lot of shit, the next 18 months are going to be bat shit crazy
Yeah, and I’m not sure people are really taking it seriously enough. A lot of shit can and potentially will go sideways as it becomes increasingly clear that there is no legal escape for Donald Trump, and many of his co-conspirators. I think more violence is almost a guarantee, and that is just the sad reality.
I agree with you, but you gotta enjoy the wins where you can. There was almost zero chance for this to end without some sort of violence to begin with, there are multiple large groups of crazies in this country that refuse or will refuse to have any part in the direction the world is going to go in the next decade, to the point of denying observable reality, and they are going to get violent as their worldview crumbles around them
Any reports on who the 6 co-conspirators are mentioned in the indictment? List is on page 3 and 4. What are the odds Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell aren’t two of the 6? And did Rudy Flip? Haha
Indictment:
Prosecutors allege that Mr Trump had six co-conspirators, including five attorneys. That group of lawyers is understood to include Jeffrey Clark, a former Trump administration Justice Department official who the ex-president tried to install as acting attorney general, “Kraken” lawyer Sidney Powell, and disgraced former law professor John Eastman, who is currently facing disbarment for his role in Mr Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
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This guy the annoying shit stain that just refuses to unstick itself from the side of the toilet. He needs to die already
Woot!
This is only going to help his cause.
The people who are galvanized by this are people who would vote for him if he wasn’t charged. We shouldn’t let treason slide.
But only with Republicans. Surveys show it turns off independents. So he can win the primary, but not a general, unless there’s a spoiler candidate.
what is the other outcome that wouldn’t?
