• @jonne@infosec.pub
      link
      fedilink
      63 months ago

      This is more than just the police union wanting this. They want to build these things everywhere, and there’s bipartisan support for them.

      • @Monument@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        5
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        But why would our politicians want domestic police trained to be a military force that doesn’t have the code of conduct of the military and is only accountable to the local bureaucracy?

        It’s like they want an a military force in every city that can act with impunity, or something.

        (I kid. It’s because they’re fascists, and the U.S. is becoming a police state.)

  • PorkRoll
    link
    fedilink
    433 months ago

    So if the state tries to stop the will of the people when they go through the “proper channels,” what recourse do the people have left to get their voices heard?

  • @bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    413 months ago

    The blocking of peaceful, democratic means to get things done fully justifies more violent direct action to work towards those ends.

    Considering the IDF will be training the Atlanta PD in the complex, I really hope the protestors and activists manage to stop cop city.

    I hope more machinery burns.

  • Rentlar
    link
    fedilink
    413 months ago

    Many onlookers have struggled to understand why the city has invested so much energy and risked so much bad press in continuing to block a vote.

    I’m one of those people? Why is the group supposedly elected by the people of the city, to serve the people of the city, going to such lengths to deny them from having their voice heard?

    These obstructive actions leave people little alternative to civil disobedience. Every effort needs to be made to obstruct and delay construction efforts, and further to name and shame the contractor companies, insurance companies, politicians and other figures that support this police pet project.

    • Flying Squid
      link
      fedilink
      183 months ago

      Take a look at how much the Fraternal Order of Police gives them for their campaigns.

    • @Boddhisatva@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      123 months ago

      In the USA, most politicians don’t seem to feel like they are really elected by their voters. They pretend that they do, when they are at the podium addressing crowds during election season, but they really don’t feel that way. Thanks to gerrymandering, most state and local elections lean strongly towards one party or the other. Because of that, the candidates really win the game when they win the primary, not the general. The general election is often a foregone conclusion. The candidates suck up to their donors, not making promises of course, because that would be illegal if it’s too blatant, but strongly suggesting to those donors how they will vote if elected. The donors, for their part, strongly suggest the results they would like should the candidate win, with everyone carefully avoiding making anything looking too quid pro quo. If they suck up enough and they get the bulk of the donor’s they get a very large edge in the primary.

      By the time the general election rolls around, the candidate is only running against a foe from the other party who is already at a disadvantage because of that. If the district/state/whatever leans red and their opponent is blue, then they are fighting an uphill battle. If they’re an incumbent, then they have another big advantage. Finally, those donors are back again paying for everything they legally can, and probably a few less-than-legal things too. When they have advantage because of party, name recognition, and money, they are very likely to win unless there is some big wedge issue that upends things.

      Because of this, most politicians think voters are people that they just have to appease, or at least just avoid pissing off, because if they can do that bare minimum they are probably going to get (re)elected. Other than doing that, they don’t need to worry much about the voters. What they really have to work on is keeping the donors happy. Candidates nowadays are not out shaking hands and kissing babies, other than during the occasional staged promotional appearance set up to make it look like that’s what they are out doing. What they are really doing is spending the vast majority of their time meeting with donors and lobbyists and shaking their hands and kissing their asses. When you are the right party, have name recognition, and are the incumbent, money is the only variable. That’s what they generally need to do to win, appease the donors not the voters.

      In this case, I have to assume that the politicians feel that they have all the advantages. They are clearly not worried about pissing off the voters. It’s not like they are going to vote for the other party in enough numbers to matter. They are only concerned with pleasing their donors who must have a very huge stake in Cop City for some reason or another.

    • @grue@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      6
      edit-2
      3 months ago

      First of all, Atlanta has a “strong Mayor, weak Council” system. With the Mayor apparently having come out as a vehement card-carrying fascist (despite giving basically zero hint of such before the election, by the way), there are a lot of tricks he could use to push this shit through even against the opposition of Council.

      Second, the Council basically has three factions: the rich white people from Buckhead, the mostly-poor (but not entirely poor – a point I’ll come back to) black people from Bankhead (more southwest Atlanta, but I liked the symmetry), and the and the middle-class progressives from the east side.

      • The Buckhead people are perfectly happy to support Cop City – and its location as far away from themselves as possible, along the dividing line between the progressives and the poor blacks – because of course they are.

      • The poor black people are (perhaps surprisingly) often also inclined to support it because they’re so beaten-down by both crime and institutional racism that they think more police presence + “development” (even shitty development) will help them. Moreover, Atlanta is called “the city too busy to hate” for a reason, and that reason is because of the long-standing alliance between the black leadership of the city (centered on HBCUs like Morehouse, plus the black churches) and the Buckhead business community.

      • So, the east side progressives are the pretty much the only faction in strong opposition (in part because it’s a fascist training camp, but also because the location for it is close to some of the east side neighborhoods).

      In other words – and less charitably, but accurate – too many poor black people in Atlanta are class traitors.

  • @stoly@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    333 months ago

    I really can’t figure out what is wrong with these people that they are so openly oppressing the wishes of their populace over something so stupid.

  • @lemmyman@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    153 months ago

    I get so frustrated when an article introduces a new term, says what somebody thinks about it, then goes off on some tangent before finally describing the issue at hand two thirds of the way through the article.

    Signature matching is supposedly a way to prevent fraud, in which a voter’s signature on a ballot, or in this case petition, is confirmed to correspond with a signature from the same voter registered in the state’s database. But it has been criticized widely as a method of voter suppression.

    • @grue@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      2
      edit-2
      3 months ago

      FYI, the Atlanta mayoral election is non-partisan and basically every candidate is a Democrat (except Mary Norwood, but even she claims to be an independent rather than admitting she’s a Republican). Your comment is entirely misplaced.

      Also, there was basically no indication before he was elected that Andre Dickens would come out as fascist.

      • Rhombus Ticks
        link
        fedilink
        -33 months ago

        @grue

        2021 is post Sinema.

        Anyone randomly voting for unvetted mayoral candidates whom get an endorsement from murder police is a problem

        Name ONE major metro police unit that isnt festering w murder cops…ONE.

        This windowfucker was the most pro cop candidate.

        He vetted himself.

        • @grue@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          6
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          Look, troll, I live in Atlanta and I’m explaining the facts to you based on personal knowledge. Randos from the Internet like you are not entitled to think you know better about my own damn local government than I do.

          • Rhombus Ticks
            link
            fedilink
            -63 months ago

            @grue Look Summer Child, I lived in Atlanta for 12 years I have been to the forest the cop city protesters are defending and I boost their signal every single fucking day

            Ever been in a country in a coup?

            I have.

            You have no FUCKING CLUE what the American reich will be like and you will be on the short list of people they put in camps while I cry sadly for you and other idiots lile you safely on europe cause i paid attention

            Bye

            • @grue@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              43 months ago

              I lived in Atlanta for 12 years I have been to the forest the cop city protesters are defending and I boost their signal every single fucking day

              What a coincidence, almost everything in that quote describes me, too, except I’ve lived in Atlanta longer than that.

              Apparently, the only difference between me and you is that you’re too intellectually dishonest to admit that Dickens’ fascism wasn’t obvious before the election (oh, and Kasim Reed was “the most pro cop candidate,” by the way, until he was eliminated for the run-off).

              • Rhombus Ticks
                link
                fedilink
                13 months ago

                The very fact that Kasim DHS Tool Occupy Destroying Filth Reed wasnt shamed into never showing his face in public again proves my point

                Voting for ANY pro cop mayor is fucking stupid

                its just fucking dumb