• Daniel Quinn
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    142 months ago

    I really don’t get the fawning over PIC season 3. It was bad. I’d love to see more of Ryan in a new series, but only if they recruit writers on par with SNW and lose the phone numbers of those who did PIC.

    • @USSBurritoTruckM
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      102 months ago

      Yeah, I can’t wrap my head around it either. Easily the worst, most self indulgent season of Trek in my opinion.

      But it had the TNG crew back aboard the Enterprise D so for a lot of people it’s hitting the nostalgia button.

      • @BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world
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        112 months ago

        It wasn’t great, but it was notably better than season 2 in that it actually felt like a season of a show with some thought put into some kind of continuity. Season 2 was a huge clusterfuck of awful

        • @USSBurritoTruckM
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          22 months ago

          I would argue that even if season two’s ambitions exceeded it’s execution, at least it was trying to do something. Still not a season of Trek that I think deserves any real regard, but it did add something new and interesting to the fabric of Trek. And maybe at some point some comic book or novel will actually do something interesting with that thing, because I can’t imagine we’re ever actually going to see it revisited on screen.

          Season three was exactly the dark, cynical mess that everyone complained season one was because Admiral Clancy cursed at their space dad. Jack Crusher is the infallible, ultra special badass everyone accuses Michael Burnham of being. Season three is ideas I would expect to find in someone’s first attempt at writing fanfic, not the work of seasoned television professionals.

          And, to be fair, both seasons two and three were made by the same people, so the fact that neither of them were particularly good should not be shocking to anyone.

      • @1simpletailer
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        92 months ago

        It was… Okay. Better then the first 2 seasons of Pic by a mile at least. If it was just the first 5 or so episodes I might even call it good. Yeah it was big, dumb, and loud, but it was also full of nostalgia bait, some of which admittedly did resonate with me. The bar was just so low after the TNG movies and first two season of PIC that traumatized fans were happy to have a seemingly final sendoff that wasn’t completely terrible.

        • @USSBurritoTruckM
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          12 months ago

          The bar was just so low after the TNG movies and first two season of PIC that traumatized fans were happy to have a seemingly final sendoff that wasn’t completely terrible.

          “Traumatized?” We are talking about a television show, right?

          • @SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org
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            12 months ago

            The deaths of

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            Hugh and Icheb

            were particularly upsetting for me, personally (especially the graphic nature of the latter). PIC S1 had way too much “let’s kill people for no good reason” events.

            I’d be perfectly happy if the dead PIC characters just showed up alive and well in a later show, no reason given. (They already did this with Q, right?)

            • @USSBurritoTruckM
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              22 months ago

              Fair, PIC did have some pretty rugged moments.

              But would you say you actually experienced trauma watching season one, and then that trauma was alleviated watching season three?

              • @SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org
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                12 months ago

                No and no. I was disappointed and a bit upset, but not traumatized. Though if someone told me that the beginning of S1E5 was traumatic for them, I’d believe it.

                I do believe people when they say they enjoy S3. Even though the story was just a bunch of reheated plot elements from other Treks, there is some joy to be had viewing it as a TNG reunion special. It’s “Return to Mayberry” to the tune of BSG 2003, nothing more and nothing less.

                (In contrast, Star Trek IV is the best TV reunion special ever made. Everyone’s playing an exaggerated version of their 1960’s personas and having a blast. It too is a bunch of reheated plot elements - the probe is awfully similar to Nomad and V’Ger at first glance, and “let’s time travel to insert current year” was already the plot of two different TOS episodes. I’m trying to think of how a hypothetical good Picard season could’ve tapped into the same energy that STIV did.)

    • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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      2 months ago

      I barely got through S1. Terrible show.

      Jeri has aged like a fine wine, but I’m not so desperate for TNG nostalgia that I’ll watch fat Data.

  • Handles
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    92 months ago

    TrekMovie […] asked if she is ready to lead the much-discussed Star Trek: Legacy spin-off

    Much-discussed but still to be officially verified.

    IMO they need to jettison at least Jack Crusher and his Jedi lineage for that show to be even theoretically tolerable. Terry Matalas really showed with Picard s3 that he has no flair for Trek.

    • @SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org
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      22 months ago

      I don’t think the actor was bad. Having him be a doctor on Legacy (he is a doctor, right?) would be a good use of the actor and the character’s past without having it be the focus of the show.

  • krolden
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    62 months ago

    Omgz she kissed a girl thats a major plot point

    • river
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      Hey, I’m not sure if you know how un accepting your snarky jab is. It’s very un trek like.

      I’m also not sure you appreciate how important representation is. It is very important that people see and read themselves in stories. It could save someone’s life. That importance cannot be understated or taken for granted.

      This was likely tailored to the demographic that Picard serves. And while the writing wasn’t elegant, it’s still something. Hopefully it leads to more, as this character development is now canon.

      Society is slowly crawling out of hetero normative times, where it is thankfully starting to be more common than ever to see diverse identity mainstream.

      Millennials still have a streak of heteronormative thinking and cynicism, but hopefully they are one of the last generations to experience the closet.

  • @TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
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    52 months ago

    Ok I must admit that I’ve not seen the latest season of Picard, so maybe that’s the reason, but I had no idea her character was bi

    • Value SubtractedOPMA
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      82 months ago

      She dated and split up with Raffi between seasons one and two.

      • RBG
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        72 months ago

        Literally “between”, it got kind of shoved into the last episode of season 01 and killed off again when season 02 started. They should have played it out more, let them develop a good relationship on screen, the way it was done just seemed so forced. Like the writers forgot they wanted to have some LGBTQ+ representation in the series up until the last episode of season 01.

        • @USSBurritoTruckM
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          42 months ago

          If I’m remember correctly from Michael Chabon’s instagram AMAs, apparently the relationship was based entirely on the chemistry that Ryan and Hurd had when they attended events together, so it was very last minute that they added the tease of a budding relationship in that final scene.

          But yeah, they could have done more to build it up.

      • @TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
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        42 months ago

        Really? I must have literally completely forgotten.

        Didn’t Raffi tell Picard near the end of S1 that she loved him and he said it back? I thought that at that stage they were exploring a romance for them

      • @USSBurritoTruckM
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        22 months ago

        There’s an entire audio drama about it that Ryan and Hurd did voice work for.

        It is perfectly fine.

  • @Sekrayray@lemmy.world
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    32 months ago

    Can this please be marked as some sort of spoiler? I haven’t watched Picard Season 3 yet and this was a massive spoiler bait title…

    • Value Subtracted
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      282 months ago

      We generally don’t protect spoilers after about a week. In this case, it’s been nearly a year.