I assume your atheist? You seem to be making a moral argument that teaching children religion is immoral. I’m wondering how you come to what morally right or wrong? What’s your logic or proof for your moral framework?
You just state that the goal is happiness, well-being, etc. But don’t provide an objective argument or evidence for why that’s true or an objective moral system. Can you elaborate on that please?
What if harming others makes me happy? Or I do things that bring me good well being at the cost of others and society?
Pressuring children into a belief system that has no basis in reality, which preaches subservience and lack of modern reason, is antithetical to societal advancement. We need to explore the stars, not the preacher’s pants.
If a child finds religion on their own, then cool. But if an adult needs to send them to weekly indoctrination sessions, then that’s child abuse and manipulation.
And who gets to decide that? You? People have different views on the world even between people who don’t believe in religion at all. So let’s have children be indoctrinated by their schools and surroundings. Just like you view religious views as awful and indoctrinating so do other people view other views the same. You might have a Marxist who loves communism and thinks capitalism and its ideas are awful and that we must fight against the liberal capitalist order. Would you consider that person teaching their children as “indoctrination”?
Just because you don’t have reason to believe in religion doesn’t mean other people are in the same boat. And it doesn’t mean there isn’t logic or reason behind it.
I have no problem taking responsibility for that decision, so yes. I’ll decide. The same way Republicans think they can decide that being gay is illegal, being trans means you’re subhuman, and that women don’t deserve reproductive rights. I have no problem making these decisions if that’s the alternative.
I’m not atheist mate, so I don’t believe teaching religion it’s moral or not, I basically just follow one rule in my life involving this and it is: do to others what you would like others do to you or you can use the negative form if you prefer: don’t do to others what you wouldn’t like others to do to you.
I’m not against religion but I believe people should be allowed to follow any religion until at least 18yo, there are some people who say at 18yo human brain isn’t totally developed so maybe it could be some years more.
You say that your not making a moral claim but in your original post you say that it can pose psychological or social issues. Which sounds like you’re making a moral claim. Unless you’re just making a subjective “moral” claim that you don’t like people doing X. In which case that’s similar to someone saying they don’t like soda, candy, or a certain food. Meaning its just preference.
Thats a decent rule to live by but how do you prove that to be objectively true? How do you show that this moral system is true?
I assume your atheist? You seem to be making a moral argument that teaching children religion is immoral. I’m wondering how you come to what morally right or wrong? What’s your logic or proof for your moral framework?
Not OP, but I’m an atheist. Indoctrination of children is immoral, teaching them about myths is not.
Simple. Start with a goal: happiness, well-being, etc. From there you can make objective decisions that further that goal.
As a theist, how do you come to morality? How do you get past the Euthyphro dilemma with regard to morality?
You just state that the goal is happiness, well-being, etc. But don’t provide an objective argument or evidence for why that’s true or an objective moral system. Can you elaborate on that please?
What if harming others makes me happy? Or I do things that bring me good well being at the cost of others and society?
Pressuring children into a belief system that has no basis in reality, which preaches subservience and lack of modern reason, is antithetical to societal advancement. We need to explore the stars, not the preacher’s pants.
If a child finds religion on their own, then cool. But if an adult needs to send them to weekly indoctrination sessions, then that’s child abuse and manipulation.
And who gets to decide that? You? People have different views on the world even between people who don’t believe in religion at all. So let’s have children be indoctrinated by their schools and surroundings. Just like you view religious views as awful and indoctrinating so do other people view other views the same. You might have a Marxist who loves communism and thinks capitalism and its ideas are awful and that we must fight against the liberal capitalist order. Would you consider that person teaching their children as “indoctrination”?
Just because you don’t have reason to believe in religion doesn’t mean other people are in the same boat. And it doesn’t mean there isn’t logic or reason behind it.
I have no problem taking responsibility for that decision, so yes. I’ll decide. The same way Republicans think they can decide that being gay is illegal, being trans means you’re subhuman, and that women don’t deserve reproductive rights. I have no problem making these decisions if that’s the alternative.
I’m not atheist mate, so I don’t believe teaching religion it’s moral or not, I basically just follow one rule in my life involving this and it is: do to others what you would like others do to you or you can use the negative form if you prefer: don’t do to others what you wouldn’t like others to do to you.
I’m not against religion but I believe people should be allowed to follow any religion until at least 18yo, there are some people who say at 18yo human brain isn’t totally developed so maybe it could be some years more.
You say that your not making a moral claim but in your original post you say that it can pose psychological or social issues. Which sounds like you’re making a moral claim. Unless you’re just making a subjective “moral” claim that you don’t like people doing X. In which case that’s similar to someone saying they don’t like soda, candy, or a certain food. Meaning its just preference.
Thats a decent rule to live by but how do you prove that to be objectively true? How do you show that this moral system is true?