• @heavy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    137•2 months ago

    I know this is a joke but for anyone reading: Linux has many advantages and is great but is NOT immune to viruses or exploits.

  • @Allero@lemmy.today
    48•2 months ago

    All jokes aside, using Linux really does bring some peace of mind when it comes to malware.

    While Linux malware certainly exists, it’s nowhere near as prevalent as Windows one, so that’s one less headache to give serious consideration to.

      • @Allero@lemmy.today
        17•2 months ago

        Probably still not as bad as Windows due to open source nature

        After all, there’s plenty of Linux servers around, hacking them can be a huge market, so there already is an incentive to hack into Linux.

        Also, it’s a bold assumption that Linux will overtake the desktop market the way it did with servers in any reasonable timeframe.

        • Lemmy
          6•2 months ago

          Just wait until Windows 10 drops support, we’ll probably see a 2%-4% increase within a year. Who knows, maybe more. I was fine with Windows 10, but when I made the move to Windows 11, I said fuck no. It’s what made me switch to Linux as a daily operating system. I’d say with tools like ChatGPT, it will make it much easier for your average joe to switch over. Windows has reached peak enshittification. Do more, teach people, show people how much money they can save.

          I already convinced the company I started working at to replace their outdated BIOS firmware with Coreboot. And soon, we’re going to start using Proxmox VE on all of our machines. We have about 40-50 computers, and we’re going to install it on every single one of them (edge virtualization) and manage it them all from a server. Once that’s done, we’ll have even a bigger incentive to switch to Linux. I’ll also soon setup Nextcloud with OnlyOffice, as a replacement for Microsoft Office. I hope to see us transition over fully.

          They probably spend around $5000-$6000/more a year in licensing for software. Once we have all Free Software, I think it’ll truly be better for the long run. Sure, a couple issues with people getting used to it, but these are short term issues, down the line we can save so much money and have better security/privacy.

          • @Allero@lemmy.today
            3•2 months ago

            That’s very generous and optimistic considering the amount of people who promised to switch to Linux once Windows 10 came around, and later when Windows 7 support was dropped. Though I wish it were true.

            Great to know you switch to open software! One point to note though: you might need more expensive system administrators or some support service for your Linux setup. The issues will still arise, and you need for someone to solve them very quickly - something that is normally part of commercial offerings. Also, it would be super cool to set up some cash to support the devs.

            • @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              2•2 months ago

              Yeah, the story is gonna be pretty much the same. 0.01% will switch, the rest will just rant and buy new hardware.

          • @bluewing@lemm.ee
            1•2 months ago

            Linux is now at 4% of all installations so far in 2024 - the highest it’s ever been. And there is also an uptick in desktop installations as it seems people are moving away from Windows, (Thanks Win11!), and Apple.

            But it remains to be seen how many of these new users actually stick to a distro as an everyday driver. I’ve been living the “year of Linux” for 30 years now.

            • Lemmy
              3•2 months ago

              I’m a low level IT Support Specialist (it’s my first IT job), I honestly just recommended all these and my boss wants to go through with it, plus it’s something I love to do. In the coming weeks we will start to implement Coreboot w/ LinuxBoot and Proxmox onto most of our machines. I’ve messed with Coreboot a lot, not a dev, just good enough to build/customize and install it for them. I honestly want to see the world change, I mean hell yeah money is great too, but at the end of the day, all I want is for other companies/people to see that this way of doing computing is much better. Sure, you may have to get through the hurdles of learning it, but if you have someone to guide you it makes it so much easier. Now imagine if everyone used it, everyone could lend a helping hand.

              • @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
                1•2 months ago

                OK, you’re young, I get it.

                No way am I doing that for free.

                I work in IT too BTW… just not as young as you.

                • Lemmy
                  1•2 months ago

                  I mean I already get paid for the work I do, I make $55K/year currently. Should I be asking for more?

          • @seanziepples@lemmy.world
            1•2 months ago

            I obviously know nothing about your business but this sounds like a mistake from an outsider’s perspective. Enterprise software exists so companies can call somebody and get help when something goes wrong. Also more people are familiar with Windows and Microsoft Office so it’s much easier to onboard new employees and find IT Administrators who can support their environment and keep things running smoothly.

            I think the setup you’re describing will cost more in the long run because your company will have to find people with more specialized knowledge to help maintain everything.

            I love Linux and open source software but I also think they should only be used when they fit the need.

            • Lemmy
              1•2 months ago

              We’re going to buy the enterprise support plans for Nextcloud and Proxmox. I understand that some specialized knowledge would be needed, but we’re making guides for it where anyone can do it (guides for flashing Coreboot, setting up Nextcloud, etc., this will be a guide for my boss for him to look back on). We will test this through slowly and try to see if this is something we can realistically do or not.

          • @Allero@lemmy.today
            1•2 months ago

            Even open-source systems can sometimes get vulnerabilities and backdoors - except for them it’s big and rare news rather than everyday occasion.

            Also, it’s the open-source nature that allowed to spot the backdoor relatively early.

      • Gunpachi
        8•2 months ago

        At that point BSD will take the place of linux I guess.

          • @Gork@lemm.ee
            1•2 months ago

            Plan9 is probably really secure due to its obscurity. Any malware that targets Linux, Unix Windows, or Mac would do absolutely jack shit to Plan9 because it’s so much different.

        • TimeSquirrel
          1•2 months ago

          And TempleOS will take the place of BSD.

          Millions of colors and separated CPU ring privileges are overrated anyway.

      • @Sombyr@lemmy.zip
        23•2 months ago

        lmao, this is unironically the reason one of my exs stared using Linux. Because I kept hyping it up so he figured it was a good bonding activity to learn it. To my knowledge he still uses it.

          • @Sombyr@lemmy.zip
            22•2 months ago

            Then allow me to introduce myself.
            Not that I’m a Linux pro, but I at least know how to copy and paste terminal commands until I fix whatever problem I caused by copying and pasting terminal commands.

            • @Vilian@lemmy.ca
              6•2 months ago

              but I at least know how to copy and paste terminal commands until I fix whatever problem I caused by copying and pasting terminal commands.

              this is such a mood lmao

            • @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              1•2 months ago

              Will you marry me 😊?

              /s I’m already married, just said it for the joke 😂… not happily though, so there’s always a chance 🤣🤣🤣.

              • @Sombyr@lemmy.zip
                2•2 months ago

                I’ve learned the dumb way going for married people is always a bad idea regardless of the status of the marriage, so I must politely decline.
                I’m an Ubuntu user anyway, so I’m unfortunately unfit for marriage in the first place.

                • @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
                  4•2 months ago

                  I’m an Ubuntu user anyway, so I’m unfortunately unfit for marriage in the first place.

                  Lol 🤣, this is why you are, you’re funny 😂.

                  Seriously though, I completely agree with you. I was just kidding anyway, that is completely my problem to have and/or solve, don’t need to drag others with me.

    • @qjkxbmwvz
      15•2 months ago

      Takes all types I guess.

      But maybe take OP’s distro recommendations with a grain of salt…

    • @Donkter@lemmy.world
      7•2 months ago

      I mean, if OP is going to the type of websites that have that significant of a risk of hacking him, he’s pretty deep into the depravity.

    • folkrav
      6•2 months ago

      That’s… quite the dedication. I personally just never downloaded things or ran random executables from porn sites, but hey… who am I to judge, I guess

      • @NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
        5•2 months ago

        There’s always a risk of JavaScript breaking out of the sandbox and crap like that. Browser vendors do their best to protect against things like that but security is often a trade-off for speed and people like fast software, not to mention browsers are huge and complex and they’re going to have vulnerabilities. A browser’s whole job is to execute remote untrusted code, do you trust it that much to be flawless?

        … I mean, I don’t but I use it anyway so ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

            • @PoolloverNathan@programming.dev
              2•1 month ago

              Made a Nix library for this. For a simple setup you can just build this (untested) and run the result:

              import ./encase.nix {
  name = "firefox";
  rw.home.nathan = /home/nathan/home-for/firefox;
  # other dependencies it might need...
  tmp = /tmp; # fresh tmpfs for this sandbox
  network = true;
  command = pkgs.firefox;
}

              It doesn’t have user isolation yet, so if it escapes the browser and the chroot (which doesn’t have a /proc unless you set proc = /proc;, and runs in a PID namespace either way) your files are still at risk. However, this is still pretty secure, and you can run the script itself as a different user (it creates a new UID namespace so chrooting can be done without root).

        • folkrav
          1•2 months ago

          I mean, yeah, sure. But at this point, if that’s really a worry, one should not trust any sandbox. OSes are huge and complex and will have vulnerabilities too. Hell, there could be a xz level backdoor currently in the wild and nobody knows any better lol

          • @NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
            1•2 months ago

            Right, that’s where OP comes in - most malware will be made for Windows, so if you visit such a malicious website, it’ll likely be inert under Linux!

            … I’m not saying this is a great reason to use Linux, but there’s at least a little bit of merit to it.

    • @Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
      20•2 months ago

      Remember when Forbes loaded malware onto people’s computers after demanding they turn off their ad blockers? Cause I sure do.

        • @BigDiction@lemmy.world
          1•2 months ago

          That’s not really Forbes serving the malvertising intentionally. If your site hooks into a programmatic advertising stack, the risk of malware exists. This is from 2016, but it’s mostly true today. If a user is blocking ads and cookies and they disable their ad blocker on a specific site only, there’s little data to know about that user. So you get low $CPM on the bid which is mainly where the malicious ads win bids on actual quality sites. That’s why most top sites are very strict on who can bid nowadays.

  • MrGerrit
    23•2 months ago

    Okay, serious question: which distro is the best for watching Pr0n? One that can handle multiple video streams with out slowing down would be great.

    C’mon you nerds, help a degenerate out!

  • @Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
    17•2 months ago

    The hook is being able to load it onto SBC and selfhosted servers without the hassle of buying a license to an OS and being also to configure it in a way beyond what someone in Redmond or Cupertino intended.

  • @TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16•2 months ago

    * Using Linux to access religious websites that have been proven more likely to hack you than porn websites:

      • @Leeker@lemmy.world
        12•2 months ago

        Why even allow access to the internet? When you can talk directly to God on the OS

        This Post was made by the TempleOS Gang

        • voxel
          2•2 months ago

          also keeps the glowing nsa age …
          uhhh i can’t do this … nts away