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Oh, they’re all wonderful, actually. I am gr8 friends with them all.

Vriska.

I know multiple trans girls with this name.

I am not singling out ‘transmasc comrades’, merely acknowledging that there are transmascs within the trans community who take advantage of their trans status and conditional male privilege to avoid suffering consequences for transmisogynistic behavior is not singling out anyone. I use TME to refer to cis people all the time, and so does everyone else who I have seen regularly use the term.

I think you and I have had extremely different experiences and I don’t think either of us is going to benefit from continuing this conversation. I apologize, I recognize this may come off as a bit cowardly, but I don’t think I’m realistically going to convince you of anything, nor do I think you are realistically going to convince me of anything.

It seems like your mind on this subject is pretty much already made up, as is mine.

It’s not in any way fundamentally different - that is why TME as a term includes not just trans men, but also cis men and cis women, that is part of the point of the term.

The only manner in which it is different is that transmisogynist (or just str8 up misogynist, although this seems somewhat less common in my experience) trans men are afforded something of a shield from criticism by way of their transness. They can assert that trans women and trans men are functionally the ‘same’, that they are equally victimized in all contexts, and use that to dismiss any accusations of transmisogyny they may face because of their behavior as ‘infighting’ - pointing to the shared enemy of the cisheteropatriarchy as a way of deflecting their own problems.

This is most effective when it comes to more subtle forms of transmisogyny that may be somewhat unconscious - tendencies to talk over trans women, a quickness to cancel and ostracize them, an expectation that trans women ought to not be too ‘forceful’, even perhaps the common retort to trans women’s complaints of intracommunity transmisogyny I have seen of ‘why are we infighting we should be kissing and making out instead’, shit like that.

I simply disagree on that matter, then. I find TMA/TME to be very useful terms, especially when one is talking about structural transmisogyny within the trans community itself. Indeed, I find that the TMA/TME terminology’s very existence has been helpful in causing a lot more discussion about intracommunity transmisogyny, which is an issue that in the past in my experience has not been discussed at all.

In this case, I used it pretty much because I find it more concise than what the post you are quoting suggests.

Oh, and I guess to answer your edit - I have no idea why Serano was so miffed about that. I am not her, and cannot say, although it is obvious that she has some degree of exorsexist brainworms regardless of what her experiences may or may not have been.

I would say that the reason I care is fairly simple? The existence of this current of thought and it’s advocacy by the individuals I mentioned did me significant psychological harm. It is only natural that I would care given that is the case.

And yes the similarity to TERF ideology is obvious, and I am aware that the Gender Accelerationist Manifesto does not advocate for this - I don’t think the people in question were wreckers however, they had quite open public histories of having been trans for years. And I am not trying to ‘single out’ TME people - I am genuinely just describing what I saw in my experience using the most precise terms available to me, given I characterize the current of thought we are discussing as being a manifestation of transmisogyny, I thought it would be relevant to mention in this instance, that is all.

I do agree that Serano’s work is generally mired in exorsexist assumptions, yes, but I don’t actually have that much of an issue with the passage you quote? While the phrase ‘binary phobia’ is obviously absurd, I have myself met people who genuinely believed that being non-binary was somehow superior to or more enlightened than having a binary gender. It might be less common now than it was when I first started transitioning about 8 years ago, but this is absolutely a current of thought that exists within the trans community, largely, in my experience, among TME non-binary people.

I myself used to hold this view, in fact! It was something that was directed at me a lot early in my transition, and I internalized the idea that ‘binary trans women’ (and it was always trans women, nobody ever directed this shit at trans men in my experience) were somehow ‘reinforcing the binary’ and were ultimately obstacles to the cause of ‘gender abolition’. Being a trans woman myself, internalizing this idea did me a lot of harm - it took me 7 years to actually start presenting femininely because of it, because I was so convinced that if I did so, I would be acting in an immoral manner by way of reinforcing the gender binary, and so I forced myself to present in a masculine or neutral manner even though I didn’t actually want that, and even though doing so actively mentally hurt me. Indeed, this sort of thought was likely a large contributor to the 2 years in which I de-transitioned.

The idea Serano describes here, even if her wording is awful, absolutely does exist in the trans community - I would classify it mostly as one of the forms of intracommunity transmisogyny as this sort of thought does seem to be largely directed at ‘binary trans women’ specifically. Obviously as a problem it is not at all comparable in scale to homophobia or transphobia, but it absolutely does exist - to characterize non-binary people as being privileged because of this current of thought is, however, ridiculous, yes. In actuality I would say that this stuff is just a manifestation of transmisogyny, a manifestation of the contextual privilege held by TME people within the trans community.

According to the 2020 census, Asheville’s population is 10% African American, 8% Hispanic, 4.5% mixed race, 0.6% ‘some other race’, 0.27% Pacific Islander, and 0.26% Native American.

That’s a full 25% of the population that aren’t ‘kkkrackers’, and god only knows how many of them, including the aforementioned ‘kkkrackers’, are deeply marginalized in other ways - being queer, nuerodivergent, disabled… being a member of any marginalized group in an area like Appalachia isn’t easy, and now this flooding has destroyed all their lives just as much as it’s made the ‘kkkrackers get soggy.’

Be serious. It’s a natural disaster in an extremely poor area by American standards. It’s not just fucking over a bunch of rich white people.

You’re close, but missing some details - the mass quantities of milk didn’t come to be for no reason, it was a massive increase of production during WW1. The US made a shitload of condensed milk to feed both their soldiers, and, more importantly, exported a whole bunch of it to the Entente.

After the war demand naturally crashed but all the facilities and logistics for this production still existed, and the Department of Agriculture didn’t want the dairy industry to crash, and they didn’t want all that industrial capacity to go away in case of another war where they needed a bunch of condensed milk again.

So, they put out a big propaganda campaign promoting this stuff to home consumers, and naturally, this led to a increase in popularity for more normal forms of milk as well - this compounded on itself over the next few decades with additional advertisement campaigns - both government backed and those backed by the dairy industry - to promote milk more. By the 50s/60s milk-drinking reached it’s peak, and because of the popularity over multiple decades it just kind of got culturally ingrained - particularly for children, but adults still drink a lot of milk too, although the numbers have been going down recently.

That’s the big picture cultural reason - as a mayo American myself, I drink milk because I like the taste and texture.

Speak for yourself? There’s nothing special about being blood related. I would absolutely do it, if I had any practical reason to, which I do not, would be a horrible decision. My family never loved me, after all, so I naturally am not inclined to extend them any special status or care.

If it’s a thin, fast-food style burger, I usually eat it crown down.

If it’s a thicker restaurant or home-make burger, I usually eat it heel up.

I have no idea why I do it this way, but this is my main pattern.

In my case it almost feels like my body’s reaction to heat has a screwed-up sense of how hot things are. I can’t take hot showers, for example, which are objectively not dangerous, because they genuinely feel like they are going to burn me - normal-hot-shower temperature water feels like like a wet hot pan, it’s like my cap is just lower. Ambient heat in the air and light doesn’t do that in the same way, but it can make walls and stuff feel like that, naturally.

I hadn’t thought of it from the overstimulation angle before, though, but now that I think about it I think you’re right, that is at least part of why I hate ambient heat and particularly sweating. Thank you for that insight.

No, they do not, and most of them aren’t willing to understand, either.

People, or at least NT people, with higher temperature tolerance are almost always assholes about it - I have weird heat sensitivity, I suspect on account of my Autism, and I only stopped getting constant shit for it once I basically entirely stopped talking to NTs.

The people in this thread are just seizing on an excuse to shit on people they perceive as weaker, or an excuse to shit on the English as if they are actually inherently evil just by existing. Or both.