Quick what year is it??? Is it 2006 again? It feels like the worst time travel experiment ever

>religion, all religion, is bad actually

No clue. I thought this kind of dumb reductive nu atheist “religion is the cause of all evil” had kind of died out when they morphed into acolytes of the Jungian fascism of Peterson

Its not that complicated. Saying Judaism is genocidal is just like saying Islam is a religion of war. Its rascist.

I mean, you just did it again.

that got me too! Libs are masters at unintentionally doubling down on rascist ideas

The main problem i have with this entire train of thought is that it’s completely untethered from anything material and is therefore fundamentally wrong no matter what conclusions you’re trying to draw. Well actually my main problem is that you’re using this thinking to make (whether intentional or not) an anti-semtic conclusion which makes it way worse. But I’m going to focus on the first thing, because that’s where i think where you’re making a common mistake and stumbling into antisemitism.

Religion is a part of culture. Culture is an outgrowth of the base of society/system. The system itself is driven by material reality. Culture can work to reinforce and strengthen the system, in fact that’s the main point of it, but it doesn’t dictate the actions of the system. Colonialism, imperialism, genocide aren’t caused by religion, anymore than they could be caused by a movie or a song.

This relationship is also why religions are malleable. Religions change and peoples relationship to them changes because they are in a subservient relationship to material drivers. The easiest thing to look at is the period of religious upheaval in Christianity coinciding with the emergence of capitalism (Protestant Reformation, 30 years War, English Civil War, development of Calvanism, etc.) - and the need for theology to either adapt to be compatible or become discarded.

The kind logic you’re using is predicated on idealism the belief that ideas are the primary driver behind reality and actions. That applied to religion is the MO of nu athiest pseudointellectuals like Golden Girls fortune heir Sam Harris. He’s known for making your exact same arguement but in an Islamophobic way - the target being Muslims and not Jews.

It’s hard to understand how you don’t get that saying Judaism is genocidal is incredibly antisemitic. But a lot of people repeated Harris’s bullshit and claimed they weren’t Islamophobic by hiding behind one hadith or another as proof that Muslims are evil. Some may not have understood. Harris may not have even really understand how rascist he is because is exceptionally stupid. So you might not mean it. If you don’t want people to call you antisemitic you need to do a little self-criticism and examine what you really think and want to say here.

Welcome to the reddit nu atheist pile on. I was not expecting antisemitic Sam Harris to be a thing, but here it is

Religious people aren’t inherently genocidal. Their religion is.

is this nuance?

I will say though, this is a great Sam Harris impression. Antisemitic Sam Harris is actually an interesting bit

you’re mischaracterizing my nuanced views!!!

Straight up Sam Harris grade bullshit except directed at Judaism. All his beliefs just the opposite target lol

Yeah there’s a big difference between believing im secularism and wanting the liberation of people from religious oppression and hating religious people, as well as blaming religion (or bronze age morality) for things caused by modern colonialism and imperialism.

You don’t have to be athiest to espouse cringe ass nu athiest thought. #1 the idealist delusion that religion and thought dictates actions and reality and not the other way around.

The genocide is not caused by religion or “bronze age morality” any more than genicide is caused by individual rascist thoughts or beliefs. Isreal is a settler-colonial project and an extension of US imperialism. That’s what is driving the genocide, not bronze age morality.

This pure idealist Sam Harris-style Islamophobia logic turned toward Judaism. You’re wrong for the same reason he’s wrong about Islam.

what happens when you put bronze age morals in practice

Is this 2006? I thought Nu Atheism was over lol. You must be the last holdout for that cringe ass, warmed over racist bullshit

Beyond military scope? Like do the have plasma weapons or some shit?

This is the only plot that is ever allowed in lib slop that even remotely acknowledges that the something in the status quo might be bad.

It’s also close to the plot of Barbie lol. Barbie learns she’s problematic, but it turns it that nah she’s actually great.

I’m going to get so downvoted for this, lol

we don’t have downvotes

And Hunter

It doesn’t seem that controversial to me. NATO is the aggressor and has had an agressive stance toward the Russian Federation since the coup they backed brought it into existence. They’ve been playing with fire for 30 years. They can’t even feel the temperature anymore because they feel entitled to consequence free bombing campaigns. I hope Putin’s message works and gets these rabid NATO wardogs to back off

Hope for what? More genocide? It’s more genocide isn’t it

I understand why you see things that way because you’re a liberal and not a Marxist. Reform makes sense if you come at these problems from the perspective of liberalism. The problem is that the it really isn’t an issue of systems feeding into each other - it is the system- liberal democracy and who controls and why it exists in the first place that’s the issue.

You bring up good questions about why liberal democracy looks different in Europe than the US. There are a lot of reasons for that, but what matters is that liberal democracy performs exactly the same function in Europe as it does in the US. It doesn’t matter if theres one party or twelve, ranked choice or first past the post. I’m not argueing that one or the other isn’t better, i just don’t think it matters whether the system of bourgeois rule is slightly better or not.

anyone is an idiot for being naive enough to vote.

I don’t think you’re an idiot or naive. If you’re voting i think youre supporting genocide.

The absolutely most bizarre thing about this interaction is you over-reading into my comment about Trump supporters to claim that I’m parading as a self-superior acting liberal

At least the Trump supporters I could write off as too ignorant, undereducated and manipulated to know better.

I don’t see how that’s a mischaraterization. And yes obviously i think your a liberal, you are. You’re a genocide supporter.

This is some really fucked up, perverse gatekeeping on your part.

You can stop being a liberal and not support genocide. If I’m gatekeeping then yes that is the line. Are you choosing to support genocide and voting? If the answer is yes, you are on the wrong side of the gate

You say you liked my first post. My second post and this one are exactly the same. That’s why we think Bernie should go away now. We don’t want or need to collaborate with genocide supporters