Maybe you should argue for a different method of voting instead, then. Liberal lesser evil didnt give us the orange diaper dumpster, the two party system based on money and gerrymandering is what did it.

Compulsory voting + Ranked choice. Are you for something like that, or are you against it? It would be a great thing to continue promoting, and its much less hateful and directly confrontational.

Id love to debate but it would just be about logical fallacies that arent really related to your intent, as your intent is expressed well.

Saying “we havent tried” and suggesting 3rd party candidates is intentionally being obstinate and uncooperative.

We need an Australian voting system. Required voting and ranked choice. That should be what you’re arguing for. Not whining that the world doesnt work how you want it.

They have the ability to board US boats flying US flags in (and out) of US ports for the purpose of enforcing the law. Well, local law enforcement can, and specific government organizations. Not ICE, though. They arent a government organization that was created and fully defined by congress. Making a govt organization isnt snapping fingers and pouring money into a black hole.

Even if they were an organization with the required credentials to execute local, national, and maritime law, they didnt have a reason to attack anyone. Zilch.

No, they mean an idiot supporting this behavior because ICE did it. ICE did it so its legal!

I will say ships in US ports flying US flags are subject to our laws, but nothing justifies the psychotic brutality of the brownshirts. It may have been legal behavior, but the death penalty was also legal (nationally) at one point. Its about the weight of the response. We didnt use butterknives for executions, and people shouldnt be attacked, be forced to follow contradictory commands, strung in weird positions with zip ties, kidnapped and disappeared, etc. Being brown doesnt mean you should be slammed in a concentration camp ICE holding facility.

Relax, its not that deep.

Well we tried that and now we have satan in office.

You could also pay attention to democrats consistently fixing the economy that republicans leave us with, but pretending theyre the same is totally true. Rocks and turtles are both hard and definitely alive, they must be the same.

But it doesnt matter! Your vote doesnt matter because I say it doesnt! Feel depressed and dont do anything to get out of it! Also dont vote against my koolaid dad.

If our fellow americans, the staunch supporters of our dementia patient pedo pres, could read they would be very upset. Your lazy life isnt hard, you must not work as much as a hard working billionaire, psh. And Ill be one myself someday if my hat is red enough! Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work a 12th job! 4th? I cant read.

I thought it was a reddish yellow but Im pretty racist.

You know, I think we’ve heard this before a few hundred times. Am I crazy or have we known he’s crazy for over 6 years? Before his first administration ended, he was experiencing some dementia problems, or am I misremembering this?

Glad the people who wouldnt vote over Palestine arent responsible for anything, even morally. Its morally right to be in favour of multiple genocides, especially ones our president threatens personally.

I’m not reading past your second sentence because you showed that your reading comprehension is garbage

Not an insult!

I don’t need or want to defend my opinion against somebody who can’t read.

How kind, another neighbourly comment

yet more proving that you can’t read, there were no insults from me

Glad these arent insults, phew. Your reading comprehension is awe inspiring. Its a good thing you didnt insult me as a part of saying you didnt insult me.

Your argument was that:

everyone who voted for but didnt vote against Trump wanted him to win/were okay with him being President, or they werent able to show up.

People who dont vote didnt voice an opinion and we have no ability to read minds. If you cant read minds you cant make claims as to how others will vote.

Unable to vote is not voicing their opinion, just like deciding not to vote. We cant decide how big either group within this unknown quantity would behave. Deciding not to vote due to a lack of information, constantly changing polling locations, and a billion other arguments for or against whatever you’re trying to say. Those are 2 small seeming but incalculably large or small amounts to try and staple an opinion to, especially because… they didnt voice their opinion for whatever reason.

You’re a genius but you wont elaborate, your argument or explanation is just insulting people instead. Substantiate your idea, communicate better. Its not hard. Why do you think you can read minds (lol), and how do you know how they were going to vote?

If all those people were known to be okay with or voted for Trump, we could say one way or another. We cant say that without also saying some conservatives didnt vote, so they mustve been cool with Kamala, despite her being so hated in MAGA. Its a coin, there are two sides. Claiming one side is heavier without seeing the coin or knowing what kind of coin it is, is a little insane. A loud small group on the internet was mad about Palestine to the extent they said they wouldnt vote, and some people voted third party. There could be 10 or 10000 or 10000000. We dont know. The people who voted 3rd party fall into the “okay with a Trump victory” camp. They voiced an opinion and it wasnt the best method of not having Trump become president. They can definitely fit into your description. People who have an unknown opinion have an unknown opinion.

My point: If you can read minds, get a job where thats utilized. Cuz its a unique and amazing ability. People overseas, in the military who werent able to vote, those are unknown quantities, people working, but it isnt just people who couldnt vote and wouldve voted the way you want. Thats people popping up with your opinion out of nowhere, but not people who disagree. You just assume more people are Pro-Kamala, or Anti-Trump. Some people are so disconnected with the news that they dont know who the president is. Yeah, they exist, and we also dont know how big that group is, or how they would vote.

An Australian system would solve this confusion. Because then we wouldnt be trying to read minds. Compulsory ranked choice voting. We would know more accurately how people feel, though we also dont know if those people put any bearing on political positions.

If someone doesnt understand you, you insult them lol

And insulting instead of defending. Nice.

Cant defend your opinion, thats okay. Have a good time.

Try explaining that to the single celled organisms here and they might explode.

It literally is. Your argument is that people who didnt vote for Trump wanted him to be president. All people who didnt vote for Kamala are somehow pro-Trump. If that wasn’t your intent, you need to work on how you phrase things.

All I did was say precisely what you said lol just the other way around. Thats because people who didnt vote… did not vote! Ascribing a desired candidate to people who didnt participate is … not how it works!

Everyone that doesnt go to subway hates subs so they absolutely must like burgers! See? Silly.

A lot of people felt disenfranchised and abstained due to a sense of moral superiority to be sure. That doesn’t mean they voted for Trump or felt like Trump was the superior candidate. People who dont pay attention to politics didnt vote for or against either candidate, people who didnt vote also didnt vote for or against either candidate.

11% of the population isn’t allowed to join the military due to being … too dumb. They can still vote, though.

Remember, 100 IQ is the AVERAGE, half of people are under 100 IQ.

I do help, and have put my skin and reputation on the line in a deeply red district. I thought about running for Mayor and climbing the political ladder learning about my state before, but I suffered a serious life disabling traumatic brain injury. I dont think Im the best candidate for anything, but with that on top of it, I cant justify running for any office.

I have a very public-facing job and I am very outspoken about tax issues and things hurting us and helping the wealthy ridiculously (people only believe it when it happens to them, and taxes hit our lovely local racists too). Ive completely changed some minds, and Ive definitely changed how a fair few people look at Fox entertainment news. Socially speaking, I do have skin in the game.

I wish I could do more, but I legally cant drive, my eyes do not function properly, in-person speech is very difficult due to TBI induced stuttering and word recollection issues. I protest when I can, but I cant walk far without a cane, or at this point, a wheelchair, so its hard to go on my own.

I do spend a lot of time playing games, though. I wish I could walk farther and didnt have the health problems I have.