From what I see:

PR campaigns to try to “convince people with ideas” to change their ways is definitely more on the idealistic side.

Tech that fundamentally changes the means of production of a fundamental commodity in local, regional, national, and international markets seems more on the materialist side.

but the UK, where the mass media approach has been tried, has more than twice as many vegetarians per capita than the US.

I wonder how much of this is due to immigration from South Asia, where the rates of vegetarianism are higher.

And cuz he’s an aThEiSt

i pitty every trans person still holding out there.

I wonder why they are even in there tbh. Like what’s the appeal at this point?

claiming that queer people are faking it is incredibly and offensive. Stop doing it. You would not claim that a black man isn’t really black because he says something you disagree with because you’d get knocked the hell out. Don’t claim people’s identities are fake because our politics are to the left of yours. You’re literally just abusing other lgbt people with that sentiment by essentially stating “unless your politics align with mine I will deny you the right to your gender”.

That’s precisely what a Russian shill would say to try to obfuscate the issue. I would know, I learned about whataboutism and those tactics in my political science 101 class. I only had to take that class because its a required core elective for my STEMlord degree. So back the fuck off TANKIE!

You guys all rent, so I was wondering: how much should I charge? Comparables around here are $900-1200/mo, but I don’t want to screw the guy.

No, those who are lead to reactionary figures is irregardless of dating someone.

That seems essentialistic.

Not to mention so many of these people that complain about this are below 22, at which dating is viewed as uncommon among most of the normal population anyway

??? What are you talking about?

Think weight classes in boxing and the ranking of within them. It doesn’t need to be so

Yeah like Street Fighter. Which of course the Gamer™ types have no problem with when they play with a girl character… But put a trans woman in there an all of a sudden they explode.

They just need to combined all sports and make them genderless. In cases like boxing just go by weight class, since they do that for men and women’s leagues anyways.

At this point the word incel has basically multiple meanings. It can be a legitimate state of being (in fact the person who came up with the term was a woman) or a knee-jerk insult. It’s basically just like the term tankie.

Yeah I know who he is. He actually had trouble with women even though he had backstage passes as a writing for rolling stone magazine. It wasn’t until after he learned the dating skills that he was able to be better with women.

This whole struggle session has made it crystal clear that the west is pretty much guaranteed to descend into fascism. A lot of people basically seem to knee-jerk dismiss concerns people have about being in the friend zone, and without a legitimate leftist response to this, tons of alienated young men are going to find their way to reactionary figures and basically become the foot soldiers of fascism. There needs to be more concrete help for these alienated guys other than saying “it’s all capitalism’s fault that you feel that way” or saying “oh you even mention the friend zone? tHaT mEaNs YoU’rE aN iNcEl!” I mean yes capitalism has really alienated us and commodified dating but that’s not gonna help the lonely guy who gets rejected all the time other than in an intellectual way. Also telling him that “you should just be content with life” is also not helpful either. I mean yeah you can be all Buddhist about it but would you say that to other disenfranchised people as well? “Hey sorry about the discrimination but it’s better to just be content with life.” Is this what an AES nation would do? Sounds like some idealist western shit rather than a principled materialist approach that takes into account the realities on the ground. The USSR industrialized, developed, and got rid of cyclical famines. China lifted millions out of poverty. They didn’t just say “it’s capitalism’s fault that you’re homeless” and then just leave it at that, they actually did concrete stuff. There needs to be concrete action done to deal with this issue other than mockery/dunking or simple platitudes like “hey just be yourself and be content.”

Anyways, like I’ve said before, the west is doomed.

I’m sure there was some there but it was mostly just guys who had gotten rejected a lot trying to figure out how to be more confident, dress better, and learn how to talk to women. Later on people started to mix politics in with it (i.e. “women are only like this cuz of feminism, liberalism, etc.”)

To my fellow guys, there is nothing more pathetic than being an “orbiter” that stays friends with a women in the vague hope that they change their minds and want a romantic relationship with you.

I’ve been flamed for comments that get widespread support a few weeks later.

Looks like that happened in this very thread lol. I see comments now that basically mirror what I said earlier in the thread’s history.

I like the idea of a dating coach.

That’s essentially what the PUAs from the 2000s were. It was only towards the end of the 2000s and the early 2010s that you started to see that stuff morph into the “manosphere” and “red pill” stuff you see today.

I mean I guess, but… I hate to use this term, but I think the therapist is only going to give you “blue pill” advice like “be yourself” or other useless platitudes. Unless the therapist has themselves dealt with this and somehow conquered it, I highly doubt a therapist would help.

That, and being with someone is also a leftist, sympathetic to your political views, or at least apolitical but cool if you want to do praxis or occasionally rant about stuff like how capitalism evolved out of feudalism is pretty dang important.

So I’m kind of torn on this, because of how I keep hearing about romantic relationships causing orgs to basically implode. It’s like there are so few leftists that when people meet in an org it becomes desperate people meeting other desperate people and basically forgetting the whole point of the org.

I guess if I had any dating advice, it would be to ignore generic dating advice and try and have people in your life (friends, family, even exes) who know you well and will be brutally honest with you.

I don’t know, in my experience they’ll never be brutally honest with you. Actually, they may not even know what to tell you in the first place and they may actually think that you’re “a catch” so to speak and “who wouldn’t want to date you!” I actually think hiring a dating coach might not be a bad idea, because they can assess you and actually give you good advice. And it would be specifically tailored to you.

I do have a friend who does only date assholes, it’s very sad and she says so. They have done things like break her arm, break into her house after they’d broken up and steal all of her knives etc. It’s actually a repeated pattern in her relationships that strikes me as pathological.

Yeah that’s the thing, you don’t have to give into the incel mindset to notice this kind pattern.

That said, the incel/“nice guy” vibe is defining asshole as “someone who is more confident than me”.

Yeah, although I do think that the “asshole” and the “nice guy” are two sides of the same coin (both toxic but in different ways; one more overt and the other covert). Actual confident/good guys often get mistaken as “assholes” simply cuz they have the confidence, like you said.