Lol as if I didn’t hear you out. At this point anyone could present any point against “generative” AI and you’d find a way to say “but if it produces something that works”.

At least, that’s how you’ve come off. I know I’m being abrasive, but I genuinely don’t wanna believe people think like that, and I don’t enjoy fighting like this.

When tedious tasks can be automated without using tech made by fascists for fascists, I’ll be all over that. Until then, its pretty hard to defend.

So this person prompt injected to figure out which submissions were bots, found out, and instead of taking a firm stance against this practice they’re gonna… try and “make use” of all the bot submissions… sighhhhh oh my fucking God how many more times am I going to see these similar brain dead arguments? I can’t take it anymore.

“What about the foundation is rotten, in your view? The fact that it’s based on other people’s work being regurgitated, or the environmental concerns, or how big tech is trying to leverage it to be an arbiter of knowledge and computing power? All are valid concerns, but they don’t mean the technology is inherently unusable or unethical.”

It literally does. There’s no point in this discussion if we’re disagreeing over something so fundamental.

Mental gymnastics? I can’t fathom how people keep finding new reasons and justifications for using such fundamentally evil technology. Its not that there’s no nuance to be had in the conversation, but any positive uses are purely theoretical at this point, because they can’t be realized with the technology in its current state.

“Guys guys guys, I know the tech was built with fundamentally horrible intentions and is trained on nothing but stolen work and is killing the planet and yada yada yada but if we’re just aware of its limitations and use it for good… somehow… it’s totally not useless.”

God the “luddite” thing is so bad faith and just objectively incorrect.

Please inform me.

I knew I shouldn’t have used that analogy, because then the focus would be redirected to it and I’d end up defending it instead of the position it was meant to represent.

I’ve said what I intended to say. I don’t wanna argue over the uses of AI when its the foundation itself that’s rotten. There’s no good way to make use of “gen” AI as it stands.

I’m sorry, but no matter how many times I hear this argument, it never addresses the issues with AI that exist regardless of its usecase. There are plenty of other unacceptable things in this world that we apply strict bans to. No, it will never rid the world of the issue, but that doesn’t mean you concede to “appropriate” uses of the maliciously envisioned technology. Someone in the world will always be hungry, but that doesn’t mean we settle for mostly eradicating world hunger, we try to do all we can.

No amount of “but it’s for a good purpose” with erase the issues inherent to LLMs and “generative” AI. I like the idea of pure tedium being automated in the future, but so long as its based on the this tech as it currently exists, any genuine attempt to make create something positive is a non-starter. I’m not a “luddite”, I don’t hate progress or new ideas, I simply refuse to support projects that rub shoulders with hyper-capitalist theft machines that destroy the planet.

Its different but no better. Its still AI slop, just human reviewed AI slop.

I’m glad I moved to PieFed a few months after joining Lemmy. Tankies have no real values and will claim to be radicals while holding no better values then our oppressors.

Private property is, yeah.

Not trying to be a pedantic dick, its just annoying when I see people go “leftists want to take your toothbrush” when they don’t understand the idea of private property being theft.

Oh yeesh don’t remind me of ugly Sonic hahaha

I’m so glad someone here knows a quote from him other then “What could possibly go wrong?!”

We don’t talk about “SO, YA WANNA BE A VIDEO GAME STAR!!”

Wouldn’t you be at the sight of bleeding Nazis?

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Is machine learning the problem, though? Like, if someone wrote a program for automating subtitle creation, or at least helping with the tedious aspects of it, and it improved the more you used it, would that be an issue on it’s own? I think that’s why people differentiate between AI, LLM, and ML, because we need ways to distinguish tech that’s being misused/is harmful in it’s current forms vs. tech that is inherently evil in concept alone.

It’s confusing bc nobody fully understands which terms refers to what, myself included, so everyone uses each term for the wrong thing.

Oh fuck yes that sounds awesome, thank you!!

“Cat ear headphone people” is way funnier to me then it should be

Well, it’ll be a first for me, but something tells me I won’t be disappointed~

It amazes me how people will go out of their way to defend “gen” AI and LLMs, especially on a decentralized platform that aims to divert power away from the wealthy and their proprietary platforms. Does the boot taste that good?