Yes I am aware that they’re somehow supposed to reduce plastic waste because the cap can’t get lost … unless you cut it off, of course.
Yes I am also aware that there are people with disabilities (shaky hands, weak grip, etc.) who are thankful for these and actually like the design. Good for them, and I mean that in a non-sarcastic way.
But personally, I hate these things with all the “first world problems” rage I can muster and go out of my way to rip / cut / twist them off on every single bottle I buy. I don’t like having the bottle cap directly in my face while drinking, or slipping in the way of the flow whenever I just want to pour milk, and on more than one occasion, I’ve actually cut my finger OR lip on these little sh*ts (not the same type as in the picture, but baldy-made longer “bands” that leave little plastic spikes on the cap and/or band).
No idea whether I should post this in the “unpopular opinion” section instead or if other people think the same, but to me, “mildly infuriating” describes them perfectly.
Seriously, in the end it boils down to this: "I hate these things with all the “first world problems” rage I can muster "… Don’t you guys have other problems in your life? There you are, raging against a bottle cap.
Like another poster said and showed with a picture before: the cap can be tucked in at the side and voilà! Drinking can be done as it used to be…
Just repeating my comment from the same topic a while back.
So okay the bottle ones like this are fine
It is these fuckers I have an issue with
I swear if I ever see the person who designed the new milk cap I will make them choke on a fucking tetrapak.
How come? Does it close while you’re pouring?
It makes you spill the milk everywhere when opening because you don’t twist it but pull it upwards.
Oh.
Yeah that’s fucking stupid
This is some very short sighted thinking.
Caps attached to the bottles is very important to the recycling industry, so they can be more cheaply and efficiently shipped to China and thrown into the sea.
I don’t understand why caps coming with bottles helps recycle them?
Small bits like caps can’t get sorted for recycling for some reason, so they’re just “waste” instead of recyclable
Source on that? As far as I know China stopped importing plastic waste as they realized it was too expensive for the state as they are burdened with the externalities, i.e. cleanup.
I think a few years ago it was China. Now it will be anybody else who wants Western money and doesn’t mind burning plastic. Malaysia and Turkey seem popular for the UK. Not sure where the US sends it. It sure as shit isn’t recycled in any way that people would think of as recycling.
I’ve no idea why we make plastic bottled drinks when aluminium cans exist.
Aluminum cans also have plastic in them
Not nearly as much though.
Also steel cans exist as well.
I honestly like them. Those that “stay open”, of course… They just stay out of the way, never get lost, and works pretty nice.
At first I disliked them, but quickly found out they are actually… Very practical. Even not considering the “green” twist, why didn’t we adopted them before?
As an idiot who couldn’t remember where the fuck I put down the cap 5sec ago I really like them
Normally/averagely abled people - how is any configuration of the cap an issue?
To even think about it takes more energy than any obvious solution (like holding the bonded cap whilst drinking or not ripping it off the seal ring in the non-bonded versions).
Is it just because we are old and any change is annoying af?
Am I the only person who’s literally never seen such a thing exist in the wild
Come to Germany for a visit.
Or Italy
I pick up street litter, and having picked up thousands of pounds, I have never felt that loose caps are a problem, let alone one that requires such a solution. The number of littered bottles, with or without a cap, is greater than the number of loose caps, and the amount of plastic in every bottle dwarfs the plastic in a cap. Fixing the cap to the bottle will do nothing to improve the recycling rate of plastic if entire bottles are already tossed anyway.
I consider the idea of cap tethers as adversarial memetic warfare thrust upon us for some unknown ulterior purpose, possibly to make us hate the very idea of environmental consciousness. Same as paper straws. I like plastic bag bans though.
As far as picking litter is concerned, I personally prefer finding bottles without a cap. At least those are empty, all liquid having evaporated after the bottle has spent several months in the bushes. The capped bottles are often half-full and are just nasty. (Who even pays for a bottle of drink and not drinks half of it anyway?)
The number of littered bottles, with or without a cap, is greater than the number of loose caps,
That smells like survivorship bias. Your dataset is skewed by loose caps being way harder to find due to being smaller. It stands to reason that all those bottles without a cap you find will have also had their cap littered in the vast majority of cases.
Yeah, I concede that small caps are more likely to be carried away by rainwater than whole bottles :D. What I meant was that for every loose cap on the ground there is a bottle lying around somewhere, and also there are bottles with caps on. No one is tossing their cap into the bushes and then taking the bottle to the recycling center.
Fuck plastic bottles in general, back to glass.
This generalization is a problem. Assessing the whole life cycle, the carbon footprint of glass bottles is problematic and plastics is a viable alternative.
You have to consider the significantly higher weight of glass increasing carbon emissions from transportation.
While plastics bottles can only be reused about half as often as glass bottles, their production is far more energy-efficient (glass production is done at temps of 1400-1600 °C or 2500-3000 °F while plastics use temperatures from 160-300 °C or 320-600 °F) which also reduces carbon footprint in basically every country.
Of course recycling has to be taken seriously and properly organized to prevent plastics just ending up in nature. But we have to balance the micro-plastics problem against climate change. We need to solve both.
It used to be done a lot more before and some places still do it in Europe. You return the glass bottle intact, they reuse it as is. Only carbon spent is in transporting it.
Well, you also have to clean them which I assume also uses energy. And they need to be fulfilling “food-grade” cleaning requirements since you want to drink out of them, so that’s probably more energy needed than a simple wash in soap.
This is done regardless of the source of the glass. IE fresh or reused glass gets the same cleaning treatment.
It’s done less and less because recycling plastic bottles is better.
Yes (I actually live in Europe), but it cannot be reused indefinitely and needs to be recycled after about 50 uses (that’s why I mentioned the whole life cycle of a bottle). Also, glass breaks.
You have to consider the significantly higher weight of glass increasing carbon emissions from transportation.
If the transportation was electrical renewable sourced this wouldn’t be a factor.
their production is far more energy-efficient (glass production is done at temps of 1400-1600 °C or 2500-3000 °F while plastics use temperatures from 160-300 °C or 320-600 °F)
If manufacturing was electrical renewable sourced this wouldn’t be a factor.
I don’t want micro plastics in my nutsack. I don’t care that it’ll be a long time before we get there. We should start getting there now. I don’t want to hear perfectionist fallacy arguments about why I should be happy to have plastics swimming around with my sperm.
I don’t want to hear perfectionist fallacy arguments
You mean like the ones you gave if there was a 100% renewable power grid and transportation was 100% electrical glass would be carbon neutral?
Well, both aren’t and we are a long way from either, so that argument stands. You may care about your nutsack, as do I about my own, but climate change is the more critical problem.
Yep, I can taste the fucking plastic. Back to glass!
There’s a good reason why many carbonated drinks stopped being sold in glass bottles. When you go over a certain volume, they become bombs. There are videos online or 2L soda bottles falling over and sending shards of glass flying everywhere. I’d rather not have that back.
Glass bottles are also great at starting fires when they’re left outside by trashy people. Looking at how often I still find plastic trash in the woods, I’m not sure if switching to glass would make that much of an improvement.
Plus, you’d still have the same problem with the bottle cap.
Have you ever heard about the Exota affair in the Netherlands? In 1969, journalists uncovered the glass bottles of Exota soda were explosion hazards and their scathing TV episode about it drove the company to bankruptcy. It became a whole ordeal after the journalists and broadcaster were sued.
I think what I saw was the full version of this segment: https://youtu.be/Z9PM14qKhe4 Although, I think it may have been about the 1.5L/2L bottle as well, and this video is about the dangerous bottles that remained after a bunch of them got off the market.
The shots in the video you linked seem rather fake (and kind of artsy, I love old Dutch television sometimes), the video I recall had bottles treated rather normally.
Glass bottles are much much worse for the environment.
If everyone had either stopped buying bottled beverages or cleaned up after themselves, this wouldn’t be an issue.
Also, y’all sound a little whiny. This isn’t even a first world problem.
stopped buying bottled beverages
What’s the alternative in your opinion? I don’t think barrels and glasses are viable in every case. Serious question.
You could get a reusable water bottle
Dihydrogen monoxide
You’re coming up with a sarcastic exaggeration (barrels and glasses), followed by “serious question”. So which is it now?
Anyway. How about refillable cups, travel mugs, returnable bottles? Stop buying bottled water if your tap water is fine. Get a soda maker if you like sparkling water or Spritzer. Clean up after yourselves, return or throw away bottles with the lid on.
And first and foremost: stop buying packaged and bottled sh*t at every possible occasion. Things like single-use / to-go cups or bottles shouldn’t even exist.
We all created the landfills and ocean garbage patches and now we complain about our own stupidity, unable to drink from a bottle with a lid attached to it like we’re toddlers.
If you seriously ask me for an alternative: stop creating waste. Stop complaining about your waste. And stop complaining about regulations that try to limit waste that shouldn’t even be there. Big part of the problem stems from our own laziness and consumerism. Everyone is part of the problem, nobody wants to be a part of the solution. What did you even expect?
I hardly want to reply for your aggressiveness. I don’t see how that’s been called for.
But yes, I was being serious because you explicitly excluded all bottles by “bottled beverages”. So I thought, water can be replaced by tap water (I do that personally because I don’t want carry crates that are unnecessary) but what about beer, for example? I could order kegs (no sarcasm, they start at 5 liters) but can hardly take them with me.
So, by “bottled beverages” you don’t count “returnable bottles”. Apart from that differentiation not being obvious, it didn’t occur to me because in my country almost all sold bottles are returnable, even single-use ones.
Hope that clarifies my question. Maybe next time don’t immediately jump to conclusions and make assumptions about other people’s lifestyle.
Sorry, it’s aggravating to see people complain about bottle lids and not seeing what the bigger problem behind is.
We created this mess and now the least bad thing in this literal pile of garbage gets labelled ‘mildly infuriating’.
Your solution to people wanting to buy some specific drinks is “don’t buy the thing you want, buy something else”. Hardly an answer.
Why is it “hardly an answer”?
Getting everything you want at any time is part of the reason why the planet’s dying. Consumerism is not sustainable. Just one example: one wants a coffee and isn’t at home. Solution today: get a single-use plasticcy paper cup of coffee with an optional packaged portion of sweetener and / or cream, a plastic stirring thingy, and a plastic lid. All that goes to waste because people were led to believe that a “paper” cup is good for the environment. It isn’t.
I haven’t bought a plastic bottle beverage in forever*. I just get metal cans or glass bottles. Or nothing.
*I bought a lot of PET bottled beverages in Japan but I was just visiting.
They should make it so the cap doesn’t come off at all, so you have to buy a glass bottle with a metal cap that are both recyclable and won’t give you erectile disfunction.
If the cap doesn’t come off, we can stop worrying about spillage
I’ve scene water been titles that were made of the same materials as a soda can. The lid was even threaded so you could reseal it.
I don’t mind them on soda, but during yoghurt is a mess. I have a beard and after drinking one of those I 8/10 times have a milky beard
milky beard
Good username
The bottle cap folds out of the way. If you have it “in your face”, it sounds like a skill issue
Except they don’t fold but spring back to a position where the tension is low enough. Sadly that’s in my cheek.
Skill issue.
Certainly.
What a total noob
Yeah, only some bottles do that
Naww look at the little lid trying to flip that bottle over, so cute.
Stop buying single use plastic and get a reusable!
#DeathToPlastic
There literally is no option for it. I can only buy my milk in cartons with this cap on
Then look around, more milk suppliers are using reusable glass bottles now.
I have two alternative options in my immediate neighbourhood in a big city in capitalist-shithole-central and I didn’t even have to try looking.
Big city, nice. I live in a small town. Could drive 30km to somewhere else, which I’m sure will not offset any savings xD
I can only buy yogurt in plastic containers, and I’m talking 32 oz containers not single serves
You can go to your local farmer. They usually don’t bother selling you some milk. Bring your own bottle for them to fill it up. Also, its usually much cheaper than everything you can buy elsewhere. If you want to be sure you don’t get sick you can cook the milk(but this causes a loss in taste), but you can also drink it without cooling it. You might get sick the first (few) times, but you will get used to it and won’t get sick from drinking raw milk.
“Just milk the cow your self”
Plant milk, right?
Plant milk is pure sugar which is worse than cow milk that is half sugar. Better to just avoid consuming lots of it.
What are you talking about? Off the top of my head, unsweetened soy milk and unsweetened ripple (pea milk) have no or low sugar, and are high protein
The best is to drink tap water(assuming you live in a region where its safe to drink).
That’s fine in some places. However, a lot of the US has contaminated drinking water due to lead mines. They mines are long closed but lead is everywhere. I don’t have to worry but I know people who have had there entire yards replaced due to lead.
Plastic is better for the environment than everything else.
They are mostly there to prevent sea animals from swallowing the cap and dying a slow agonizing death…
I’m pretty sure the solution is to stop throwing plastic into the ocean.
I absolutely agree. Sadly alot of smaller nations get payed to dispose and recycle and then just throw the trash into the ocean. There are even areas that just have no trash disposal system in place other than the local rivers.
