• @Stamets
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    • Zorque
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      Theres a good chance most of us wouldn’t be considered worthwhile drones, to be honest.

    • @shutz@lemmy.ca
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      1710 months ago
      • physical disability: that might just get you euthanized.
      • limited resources: again, I see euthanasia as a possible Borg solution.
      • loneliness: ever heard of being lonely in a crowd?
      • mental health: again, a malfunctioning drone would likely just get euthanized.

      Some of these points assume the Borg we saw outside of Voyager, because Voyager really neutered the Borg in so many ways.

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    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      The only downside, really, is the retconned-in CEO with all that individuality at the top of the otherwise equal system. When she started blowing up cubes just to flex on her enemies, that was a real porky-happy moment.

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      Loneliness? Literally impossible

      This is my sticking point. There’s nothing better than the feeling of being alone in the house, at least for a little while.

      Now if it came with a fully customizable virtual world where I could be alone if I wanted to, then I’d be down.

    • @nxdefiant
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      Alternatively: You have no distinctiveness that will augment our own, so we’re going to liquefy you and feed you to the childborgs.

    • @OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works
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      If I was accepted as a drone, it’d be fine by me. I’m so tired of worrying about everyday existence in the devolving hellscape of a world we now occupy.

      But, if you have a physical disability, they don’t bother assimilating you I thought?

  • @GreenMario@lemm.ee
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    The Earth First faction would totally gaslight everyone about the existence of the Borg.

    The Borg?! Ha! Yet another radical leftist Federation boogeyman! I’ll bet credits to navy beans that it’s just an excuse to expand Starfleet and take away your phasers! Wolf 359 was an inside job! But in case you do get infected with nanoprobes be sure to buy my Ivermectin^TM brand purity pills, only 4 bars of Gold Pressed Latinum!

  • @HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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    I would absolutely line up to be assimilated. I’d be guaranteed a job that mattered, I’d always be with family and friends, I’d be part of a group that was always working towards a common goal, and I’d be happy; the borg that are disconnected from the collective are clearly deeply distressed by the experience. Plus, I’d be stronger and more capable as a borg than I can even imagine right now.

    As long as people are making the choice to join the collective, why is it anyone else’s business?

    • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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      That is the gimmick of the borg. Depending on the writer it is half about the horrors of comunism and the other part is about the horror of transhumanism. Both are rad though so hell yeah

      • @HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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        610 months ago

        For a solid 25+ years, I’ve been saying that the second it’s viable, I would happily replace all of my meat with machine. When you fuck your back up as an organic, congrats, now you get to have pain for the rest of your life. As a cyborg? Just replace the damaged part.

        • @Olgratin_Magmatoe
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          From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        310 months ago

        laughs in socialist furry

        Oh no, they’ve come to take away my precious humanity and capitalism, whatever shall I do?

  • @yumcake@lemmy.world
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    In my headcanon, the Borg eventually reach a truce with the Federation, and over time eventually become full-fledged members of the Federation. That’s CRAZY right?..Is it? I mean, the Federation warred with the Klingons and Romulans, and look how those relationships changed over time.

    How about the Borg’s willingness to join? What we’ve been seeing over the years is that the Borg adapt. Their willingness to adapt had been established from their very introduction as a faceless hive-mind. Over the course of the franchise, they’ve experimented with individuality with Locutus, Borg Queens, becoming so infatuated with individuality that they even dispatched 7 of 9 to live amongst Starfleet to investigate directly, and then instead of efficiently assimilating her to gain her knowledge, they choose not to re-assimilate her so that they could ask her about that experience and avoid corrupting that knowledge via assimilation. Why is the Borg so interested? The Borg found that Federation individuality had repeatedly repelled Borg invasions when Borg calculations indicated that they should have won, and even after re-adjusting for past failures, the Borg still found themselves stymied in encounters with Starfleet. The Borg were even saved from total extinction by the ingenuity of individual creativity and a temporary alliance with a Starfleet ship. That is a huge motivator for the Borg to re-assess their approach and look for a new way to adapt to prevent their vulnerability to a similar event in the future.

    Would the Federation be open to it? Like I said, they’ve allied with past enemies before. Ex-Borg members of Voyager served with distinction. Borg tech has proven invaluable to Voyager’s return. Most importantly, Borg Drones are not undead zombies! Assimilation is a reversible condition, and that means that instead of hating the Borg for killing their loved ones, the Borg ARE their loved ones. Moreover, Borg assimilation is a weapon of mass diplomacy. Chakotay found that the hive-mind allowed warring alpha-quadrant races to all live in harmony in the Delta Quadrant, and losing access to the hive-mind allowed their old destructive conflicts to creep back in, and ultimately they reinstated a local hive-mind to regain peace. Chakotay joined that hivemind and came away from it with unparalleled understanding and empathy for the other members of the collective, and an overall positive experience, and he disconnected with immediate recovery and no ill-effects!

    That is a game-changer, it allows the Starfleet to show up on the door of a new alien race, and those aliens would naturally be cautious, suspicious, mistrustful of the Federation’s intentions. First contact is extremely dangerous. An alliance with the Borg could allow Starfleet to establish first contact by saying, “We come in peace”, assimilating the alien envoy, and then the alien representatives would know that Starfleet truly and honestly means to “come in peace”, casting aside all suspicion of ulterior motives. Starfleet then disconnects the alien envoy from the local hivemind, and then those envoys can go home and sing Starfleet’s virtues to the rest of their race.

    • @Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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      So basically kidnapping and brainwashing them into believing we are good?

      Yeah, I doubt the Federation would be on board with that. They rather take the difficult route.

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    All the borg say they prefer borg at what point do we have to just listen to them and admit we are being rascist about it? In several episodes it is shown and being a pleasant experience of I recall correctly.

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      It’s all Starfleet’s fault, the Federation has expanded too much and has encircled Borg space for decades. Plus the Borg are good for making a multipolar galaxy, we should support them.

      • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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        I was more talking about the borg themselves reporting being happy but this did bring that weird rascist tone to it that I was talking about.

        • @nxdefiant
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          I can’t recall anyone that was recovered from being a Borg begging to go back. In fact quite the opposite.

          It wasn’t like the Nexus where everyone agreed it was better even after the fact.

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            Seven of nine, Heugh, the kids, I seem to Recall Picard saying it was p nice just not for him. I know everyone reported not liking thr process but the actual state of it has been reported as being mostly pleasant but It has been a while since I seen the episodes.

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              Yeah, they all speak of “oneness”, but again, no one is falling over themselves to get reassimilated.

              Even Hugh accepted death over it.

              And that’s taking into account that the nanites literally rewrite their brain to make them feel that way.

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    Assimi-milation!

    What a wonderful phrase

    Assimi-milation!

    Ain’t no passing craze

    It means no worries

    For the rest of your days

    It’s our problem-free philosophy

    Assimi-milation!

  • Queen HawlSera
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    I mean… a transhumanist collective sounds like a better deal than Capitalism

  • teft
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    I am Excretus of Borg

  • Rom [he/him]
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    If it means not having to deal with capitalism anymore I’d get in line too tbh.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      • Free healthcare

      • Free public housing

      • No debt

      • Spend all your days cruising the galaxy with your buds, looking for more people who want to join the party

      Yeah, I’m not clear what’s on this list that I’m not supposed to like.

    • @Noughmad@programming.dev
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      110 months ago

      The Federation doesn’t have capitalism either (well, again this depends on the writer, but Picard was quite clear about it in one episode).

    • Data's Cat SpotOP
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      This comment made me realize that Odo’s people aren’t so different from the Borg.

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      I’ve seen this type of comment in scifi threads. It was about that one planet-consciousness in the Foundation series, some guy thought it would be hell to lose his individuality. But I think that people are confusing privacy or autonomy with individuality.

      Also the fact that individuality is already illusory to begin with – we are social animals, and if we truly tried to be absolutely individual, we’d end up as a feral child or some bizarre hermit. And ironically we live in an age where we are so alienated not just from others but our own selves, and our very species-essence as well

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        Also society relentlessly bullies neurodivergent people with whom they have difficulty empathizing. Neurotypicals already have a weak hivemind and they attack anyone who can’t or won’t join it. Neurotypicals are the borg, except not communist. They’re the Borg but worse.

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    Wasn’t being part of the collective “eternal suffering”? I know that’s not far from average life, but at least I can hope life will get better.

    • ThenThreeMore
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      In Picard it makes you feel constant euphoria. Which actually makes sense as a way of stopping people fighting against it.