Why am I doubting that he was not at fault?
I also doubt that he was just “moving his mom’s automobile”.
Language is magic for these people, specifically the right grouping of words is supposed to be an incantation to get them out of social responsibility, and the wrong collection of words is what binds them.
Since the state regulates “driving” of vehicles, no sovcit drives. They all “move” vehicles or “transport” vehicles.
It’s ridiculous, because law revolves around actions independent of how anyone in specific describes those actions, but that’s the mindset of these people. Viewing their beliefs as a kind of word Tetris has at least helped me wrap my head around what could possibly give them some of their strange notions of law.
My favorite line is “I’m not driving, I’m travelling”
Like Bruh, I guarantee he isn’t paid enough to care about semantics
It really does sound like they can just have a high persuasion roll and get away with whatever they want.
Helps being white.
You don’t need to have a license to have a suspension on your license. I know it’s fucky, but the legal reality is interesting: a "suspended license is a state of legal reality where a person does not have the right to drive, even with a license. No one takes license away; it means that within a state that issued the suspension, your license is effectively invalid.
In CA they can actually suspend your license if you do not have insurance. CA law requires all drivers to have uninsured motorist insurance, specifically because of all the people wrecking shit without their own insurance.
I’m pretty sure I heard that you can be ticketed for a lack of uninsured motorist coverage, even if you don’t have a license or a car.
I think sovcits may enjoy using acronyms more than software engineers do.
It pretty fucking close…
What software engineer enjoys acronyms? It’s all the business people that use them for literally everything.
What needs to happen is they need to stop utilising the property owned, run, and regulated by the state if they don’t want the state seeking financial compensation and damages off them for illegally coming onto their property and using it without permission.
They’re lucky, if this was someone else’s property, they could get shot. Fortunately the state is very open with its property and allowing others to use it, however they obviously have some guidelines in place to respect.
Perhaps a car isn’t for this sovcit if they don’t want to use the state’s roads and don’t have their own to use either.
Adding to this, under normal (non-sovcit) law, you don’t need a license to drive. You need a license to drive on public roads. You can drive all you want on private property and no one except the property owner can say anything about it.
Have yourself voluntarily committed
The red squiggles are in my mind… it hurts
Isn’t signing the paper just saying that you’re okay to delay your case until you can be scheduled a hearing in front of a court? It’s not an admittance of guilt, so duress does not apply.
The “duress” part comes from the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) which are laws governing all commercial transactions within the US. It still doesn’t apply because getting a ticket isn’t a commercial transaction, but SovCivs believe everything is a commercial transaction including interaction with the government.
UCC 1-308 is a section that says a party can partially fulfill a contract without agreeing to all of the contract terms. They must do so by explicitly stating they are completing part of the contract “without prejudice” or “under duress”. That’s why SovCivs write these words on everything.
I wonder what would happen if a black sovcit tried this type of thing?
There’s a ton of self documented examples on YouTube. I suggest a comfy chair, and a bucket of popcorn.
Black sovcits are a great big part of the sovcit population.
Didn’t know that.
There is a Moorish group of sovereign citizens, that I believe are mainly folks of color.
Sovereign Citizenship is such a white thing.
Black people already know that your rights are whatever the cop decides they are, and they’re probably not going to be deciding in your favour. They learn that if they don’t antagonize the cop, they might get close to the rights they should actually have.
These morons think that they can get away with antagonizing cops and demanding that the cops respect some secret set of rights that the cops have most likely never heard of.
I understand where this impulse comes from. If you’re not very smart, the things happening in court must seem like magic. Lawyers cite obscure precedents. There are rules about evidence. You can take the fifth and suddenly the lawyers have no power to make you talk. People with good lawyers get away with things when their crimes seem obvious. So, while you don’t understand any of this, there are people online who tell you the cheat codes you need to use in court. And, it’s not like it gets you out of real crimes, it just means that they have to give you the rights that you think you should have anyhow.
What’s interesting is that this must never work. Like, I can’t imagine a Sovereign Citizen ever getting away with anything using these “cheat codes”. But, somehow, that information doesn’t seem to be making it back to these groups. You’d think that after years of this with a 0% success rate, the movement would eventually start fading.
Actually there’s a whole subgroup of sovereign citizens who are black, usually associated with the Moorish Science Temple. Three of the Facebook groups I’m in are run by black people. Here is a good article: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/moorish-sovereign-citizens.
Yeah, nah. I see a TON of black sovcits on YT. Stupid transcends all racial boundaries.
It can seem to work though. My brother-in-law tells stories about seeing his friends get out of tickets with their hand written IDs. To me those stories sound like cops stopping a car full of drunken probably armed rednecks in the middle of nowhere - cops who just want to go home alive.
Yeah, I’m sure there’s a lazy cop factor. But, if it actually makes it to a court, I think there’s a limit on how far it will go. I’m sure sometimes a judge will just give up because it’s not worth the hassle for something that’s a small dollar fine. But, other times the judge will probably get mad and throw the book at them for wasting his/her time.
