• MindTraveller@lemmy.caOP
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    3 months ago

    Well that’s true. It’s just that anarchists prefer the centrist party over the openly fascist party, because we don’t want to live in a fourth reich.

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      Anarchists prefer to not waste time by putting so much fucking energy into electoral politics. Vote, if you want (I’m not your Boss), but don’t spend sooo much time into electoralism.

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        It’s a small amount of energy to materially affect the environment in which you expend real energy on your praxis of choice. If you’re not enthusiastically voting at least lesser evil, you’re hamstringing your own praxis.

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              Look, I’m already gritting my teeth and doing what needs to be done to keep Trump out of office and now liberals want to loudly complain that I’m not enthusiastic enough about it. If anything short of enthusiastic support for another corporate dem will lead us into fascism, then it’s already fucking here.

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                It literally is already fucking here and we need to stop it from getting more power. It has already taken over part of the government. You throwing up your hands and giving up is not helping this fight.

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                  Who said I was giving up? That’s what has me so frustrated. Expressing even the slightest criticism of Kamala has an army of liberals chastising me for contributing to voter apathy and telling me to be more enthusiastic. I’m not apathetic at all, I’m fired up, sick of this shit, and will never stop demanding more of the people who claim to be protecting us from the fascists. If the US falls to the christofascists it will be the dems’ - and all the liberals who uncritically support them - faults and not mine.

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                    Holy victim blaming. You really spent that whole paragraph describing shit things Republicans are doing and want to do, and then ended it by saying you’ll fight Democrats and if the shitty things happen you’ll blame democrats.

                    Dude, think about what you’re saying here.

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                  Sorry to release my frustrations entirely on you, you are but one voice in a cacophony. I only mean to point out how infuriating a response “please show more enthusiasm or the christofascists might win” is to criticism of the opposition candidate.

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                    Well, leftist apathy does make a christofascist win more likely. Criticizing the lesser evil right before an election does increase leftist apathy. Just because it’s infuriating doesn’t make it false.

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          I’m not talking about the act of voting itself. I’m talking about discussions, canvassing and campaigning for some lesser evil candidate.

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                I’m confused as to what other people do with their time and money has to do with you. Your statement was that anarchists don’t want to spend the energy engaging with electorialism, other people engaging with it to the point of canvassing and donations doesn’t force you to. All you have to do is vote, and recommend others vote if it comes up.

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                  I can be critical of what other people do. That’s like… the basics of systemic societal critique.

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                    Your criticisms are non sequiturs.

                    Your comment about anarchists and electorialism was a response to a comment saying anarchists prefer the center right party over the far right party. No one said anything about anarchists canvassing and fundraising for the center right party.

                    Your criticisms of canvassing and fundraising, while not entirely untrue, are absolutely irrelevant to to topic at hand. When you’re having a discussion, you keep your comments relevant to the topic of discussion. That’s like… the basics of conversation.

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        I’m going to be scrolling memes and shitposting either way because it’s how I relax. I think my fun should be socially conscious instead of only being about me. I should spend time doing good for others if it costs nothing.

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      I don’t know a single anarchist that ‘prefer the quietly fascist party over the openly fascist party’ most of them prefer to DA the military contractors that are party to the latest american-supplied genocide.

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        Well, now you know one. Kamala is firmly against Netanyahu’s genocide, and I think after she’s no longer reliant on Joe for her campaign money and connections, she’ll be a bit more active about her opinions. She’s a good candidate. The DNC is moving in a good direction. It’s time to apply some positive reinforcement so they keep doing the good thing.

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          Kamala is firmly against Netanyahu’s genocide

          The American supplied genocide which was the explicit policy of the Biden regime she was a part of. The administration that repeatedly bypassed congress to supply genocidal settlers with ammunition. Got it.

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            If I waited for a candidate who’s perfect before I got invested, they would never come because the politicians would realise anarchists aren’t invested and don’t vote. I’m supporting an imperfect candidate who is better than anyone else we’ve ever gotten, because I’m hoping next time they choose someone even better.

            If you won’t reward your dog for doing a little trick, how’s it going to learn to do a big one?

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              If you won’t reward your dog for doing a little trick, how’s it going to learn to do a big one?

              The actual analogy here is that you’re rewarding your dog for not doing any tricks, and expecting me to be so impressed by your ability to train your dog that I also decide to feed them treats for doing nothing

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                For a dog who’s been trained for 50 years to support genocide, not supporting genocide is a pretty impressive trick. And Kamala doesn’t support genocide. Doing nothing deserves a reward.

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                  She’s literally second in command for the administration wringing its hands about the bodies piling up but continuing to send weapons and aircraft carriers to protect the colonial occupiers.

                  Was dick cheney not part of the bush admins crimes?

                  The one ‘anarchist’ who has managed to talk themselves into supporting american war criminals

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                    So this eventually boils down to : you’re an american, so you are complicit too.

                    Which is not how it works (except in religious fanatism).

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                    She’s not first in command. I’d volunteer to be guilty by association too if it meant I could stop the funding of genocide when the 80 year old kicks the bucket. Who knows, maybe she’s been slipping poison into his coffee. It’s what I’d do.