• kn0wmad1c@programming.devEnglish
    173·
    1 个月前

    I’ve been a professional programmer for nearly a decade and I just realized that C# is C++++ with the pluses stacked

        • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
          8·
          1 个月前

          Issue is, Rust is not a drop-in replacement for C. The memory safety features are just one part, and since Rust is also a “weakly” functional language, thus its prefered to write such code with it.

          • lad@programming.devEnglish
            7·
            1 个月前

            Anything that is drop-in replacement for C (or C++ for that matter) is going to be awful because of the same compatibility burden, imo

            • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 个月前

              D is a mostly drop-in replacement (type renaming and such needed though), and it doesn’t have that issue. D even has a mode called BetterC, where the D standard library and the garbage collector is left out.

              • lad@programming.devEnglish
                1·
                1 个月前

                I was planning to check it out, but don’t have any experience yet. I thought it is more of a replacement than drop-in replacement, I may have been wrong

          • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
            3·
            1 个月前

            Yeah, it’s not a small change. If there was a simpler way to make C memory-safe, it would have been done decades ago. It’s just a different language too, which is fair given how much younger it is.

            • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 个月前

              D kind of did that (C pointers are still an option, alongside with the preferred dynamic arrays, which has the memory safety features), and once I’ve seen a C compiler fork that retroactively added D-style memory safety features, although they also very much insisted on the “const by default” mantra.

              • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
                2·
                1 个月前

                I think this is one of those things where there’s no “kind of”. Pointers were added for a reason, you’re probably not going to implement a database very well without them. If you use them, at some scale you’re inevitably going to have memory bugs. Technically, if you were to only use hardcoded printfs, C is memory safe too.

            • ssm@lemmy.sdf.org
              1·
              1 个月前

              If there was a simpler way to make C memory-safe, it would have been done decades ago.

              We’ve had compile time sanitizers (-fsanitize=blah in gcc/clang) and runtime sanitizers (valgrind) for ages. I don’t know how they stack up against rust’s compile time sanitizers, but it’s something.

              • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
                1·
                1 个月前

                About how an Excel spreadsheet with no formulas stacks up against a corporate accounting suite. Valgrind is how you find the bleeding once you inevitably introduce a memory bug. I don’t understand all the fsanitize options, but I’m guessing they aren’t a blanket solution, exactly because memory bugs have still been inevitable.

                This thread is making me wonder how many people actually understand what Rust does. It rigorously prevents any form of memory error at all in normal code, and unsafe blocks, where needed, tend to be tiny. It makes C segmentation faults look just as goofy as JavaScript type errors.

      • PlexSheep@infosec.pub
        21·
        1 个月前

        It’s not that bad, besides who cares with machines being as fast as they are nowadays?

        • Lucy :3@feddit.orgEnglish
          3·
          1 个月前

          I care, when I need to compile a lot of stuff multiple times on not-as-fast machines. I’ll create a private repo powered by my workstation just for this. For C stuff I don’t need to, because I can just use my workstations power via distcc.

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      5·
      1 个月前

      I once saw an issue someone made for some database and said that they were learning Rust and if the database was rewritten in Rust then they could help contribute!

    • pfm@scribe.disroot.org
      8·
      1 个月前

      C Tesseract has this interstellar vibe and brings quotes like the following, but with a totally different meaning:

      • “Years of [compilation error] messages”
      • “People disn’t build this Tesseract”; “Not yet… But one day. Not you and me but people, people who’ve evolved beyond the four dimensions we know”
      • “You’ve got to leave something behind”
    • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
      31·
      1 个月前

      I’m waiting for the marvel cinematic universe movie about filling out TPS reports and preparing for Y2k… it’s guaranteed to do better than Black Adam.

      • Luke@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        1 个月前

        Wasn’t that the Loki show, where all of time is run by a boring dystopian corporate bureaucracy?

        Now that I think of it, I guess you’re right, that show probably did do better than Black Adam.

  • pelya@lemmy.world
    21·
    1 个月前

    C₊𝅄⨧⁺ᐩ is used for building firmware for hyperdimensional singularity processors.

      • JATth@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 个月前

        H̢̱̀e͖ͧ͘r͈̔́e̖̅̀ͅ ḩ͒͏̩̲ẹ̽ͯ̀ c̔͑͠҉̬o̢̢̠̜̓̚m̷̻̳ͧͪ͘ę̢̥̋̀s̢͈̲ͧ̀͜ͅ,̧̔͞ͅ f͖͗̿̕͝ȅ̴̶̩̂͟a̸̡̯͈̼͋͡s̗̋̀̀̀̀͟t̒̾͏̯ y̸̛̟̽̇o̢̟̜͂͆ͯ͘͜u̧̧̜͔͇ͭͫ́̚͞r̀̃͑̓͒͏̮ e̍̒̇ͯ҉̴̲̭y̷̰̖ͨ̑͜e̓ͭͭ͂̕҉̸̛̦̱̤̫͢s̡̛̫͋̕ o̢͉̘͚̤̅ͫͤ̓ͭ̕͡n͊͘҉̲̟̖͔͝͞ t̷̟͊̽h̨̦͎̅̄ͪ́̚͘͠i̶̢̛̬̞̦͊̅̏̀́s̶̸̢̹̹͕̩̜̣̎ͫͤ͐̈̀.̛̰̼̗̺̼͗ͣ̏́̚͟͠.̵̪ͥ̈̚̚͞ͅ.̷̶͎̞̳̘̈͋ͬ̈͂͒͠ z̸̛̫̓͜͟͡ḁ̧ͨ͊͗ͫͫ̅́͢͠͠l̵̴͒͏͚̥̻g̩͎̲̼̠̿̅ͩ͌̇͟o̢̝͍͔͍̼̼ͤͦ̎́͘͝ i̷ͧ̅̂͟͡͠͞҉̸̙̱͍͈̝̠̺̀ͅs̗̮͇̪̯̋͋́̕ t̵̶̛̰̘̰̫̬͖̜͗̒͗̉̿͌̀̀͢ẖ̴̴̡̭̪̉̌̈́͗͘e̵ͬ̃ͬ͌͆̍͏̧̡̧̦̘͇͕͙̳̹͜ ạ̳̺͎̤̺̖̠̔̈ͮ̉̌̓̀́͟͢͞͞n̊͏̰̖̘̖̭̰̖̕͢ş̴̽͘҉̮̞̼̱w̨̢̠̻͐̐͑̊͢͞e̢̡̛͖̙̟̣͋͆͘̕ͅŗ̧̯ͪ͘͘͜͡.̭̘͇͓̹̻̖̖͉͊ͪ́

      • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
        1·
        1 个月前

        On PC, you can hold Alt and press a number combination, like 1 or 257, to get an ASCII smiley. Not Unicode, but hey, it’s something

  • elrik@lemmy.worldEnglish
    18·
    1 个月前

    This isn’t the evolution of C at all. It’s all just one language and you’re simply stuck in a lower dimension with a dimensionally compatible cross-section.

  • Codex@lemmy.world
    15·
    1 个月前

    I’m not ready for 4D, just let me try out C Lattice on a few smaller projects first.