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        I’m concerned and angry you’re throwing away your vote, but in the end, your state isn’t likely to be close enough to matter anyway, it will either go Trump or Harris.

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          But you literally said, “A 1% candidate isn’t haunting anyone.”

          Implying that there is nothing to worry about.

          Yet you are concerned and angry that I’m “throwing away” my vote.

          How am I throwing it away? I’m voting for who I want to win. And as you said, such a minor candidate has no hope.

          So you shouldn’t be worried.

          I get to vote for who I want.

          Are you saying we should only vote for people have have a certain percentage to win?

          Is that really democracy?

          So what percentage counts as valid for someone before I should be able to vote for them, in your eyes?

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            Not anything for Harris to worry about, no.

            I am worried that voters will take their own choices off the table by voting for a non-entity.

            Sure, there’s nothing preventing you from burning your vote by writing in “Superman”, it’s just an awful idea when every vote counts and fascism is on the line.

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              Not anything for Harris to worry about, no.

              Good, then nothing to worry about, like I said.

              I am worried that voters will take their own choices off the table by voting for a non-entity.

              But why would that worry you if it doesn’t affect the Harris campaign?

              Sure, there’s nothing preventing you from burning your vote by writing in “Superman”, it’s just an awful idea when every vote counts and fascism is on the line.

              But I’m not burning my vote. I’ve voting for who I want, which is Jill Stein. Also, how is “fascism” on the line, if Harris has nothing worry about?

              You tried to downplay and belittle the Green Party, and implying that it doesn’t mean anything, but then you turn around and say fascism is on the line. How so?

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                By voting for a non-candidate, who can’t win, you may as well write in Superman.

                Hey, if you don’t want to have a voice in an important election, that’s entirely up to you.

                However if Trump wins, you have nobody to blame but yourself and other voters like you. Voters who could have chosen to make a difference but chose not to.

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                  By voting for a non-candidate, who can’t win, you may as well write in Superman.

                  So are you implying that we should ONLY vote for people who will win? That we shouldn’t vote for who we want to win?! That doesn’t sound very democratic.

                  Hey, if you don’t want to have a voice in an important election, that’s entirely up to you.

                  I do have a voice. I’m voting for who I want to vote for. As is my right.

                  However if Trump wins, you have nobody to blame but yourself and other voters like you. Voters who could have chosen to make a difference but chose not to.

                  Well wouldn’t that be your party for not having a strong enough candidate. I mean, if you have a strong enough candidate, you don’t have to worry about losing, right?

                  You realize part of democracy means that your fav candidate may lose sometimes, right?

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            The US isn’t a good democracy, and unfortunately our system is not only unfair but makes third party votes very stupid

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              The US isn’t a good democracy, and unfortunately our system is not only unfair but makes third party votes very stupid

              And as long as people think that voting 3rd party is “stupid,” that won’t change. Be the change you wanna see. I am and that’s why I’m voting for Jill Stein for president. And the first time I voted Green Party was when I voted for Ralph Nader. No regrets.

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          No one gives a shit how you vote.

          Well you seem pretty mad about it.

          Are you seriously expecting a green wave? I’d be shocked if she breaks 1%

          Then you have nothing to worry about, right? So y u mad?

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            I’m not mad lol. I’m amused. You also picked the most boring third party candidate. Why don’t you vote for someone cool like Cornel West or Vermin Supreme? Hell even RFK jr. is at least funny.

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              Lmao fr it’s hilarious.

              ‘Aren’t you so angry I’m voting for Jill Stein??’

              Nah I don’t give a shit how you vote

              ‘You’re SOOOO angry, why are you sooo mad?’

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              You also picked the most boring third party candidate.

              According to YOU. Do you think I should vote only for people who YOU find interesting?

              Why don’t you vote for someone cool like Cornel West or Vermin Supreme?

              Because they don’t align with the values that I want my president to have. If you like them, I totally respect and support your right to vote for them.

              You should vote for who you want to win. And for me, it’s Jill Stein.

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      Oh, ok, cool. Then the Democratic and Republican parties have nothing to fear from her.

      So they should be fine with debating her and having her on the ballot. I mean, hey she’s “completely irrelevant,” right?

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        Being completely irrelevant, there’s no reason to waste time debating her, but if she meets the criteria for either I don’t think anybody cares.

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          Being completely irrelevant, there’s no reason to waste time debating her, but if she meets the criteria for either I don’t think anybody cares.

          So what is threshold do you think she, or ANY 3rd party candidate, needs to meet to be considered worthy of a debate? Serious question. Because her party is the 4th biggest political party in the US. Behind Libertarians.

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        So an obvious, very mild, characterization is not allowed where I only warn people of what the OP is about but the OP can be rampant in the despicable behavior I pointed out?

        Mod @jordanlund, be better please. This way the extremist get the upper hand whereas normal posters are blocked. This feels like what would happen on twitter and truth social.

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      Explain how I am a troll? Or do you just call people trolls if you don’t agree with them.

      But go ahead, and explain to me how I am a troll. I have started 6 communities here on Lemmy, including one for college and teaching assistants, and even the Green Party community. And I have posted over 100 times. On various subjects.

      So how am I troll? Also, I reported you for calling me a troll, which when unfounded, is against the rules of this sub.

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    I’m regularly struck by the literal insanity of politics, but this whole deal with Israel is a particularly notable example.

    The fact of the matter is that we have no idea what Harris’s actual opinion of the situation is. Regardless of what it might actually be, she has to support Israel, which at this point means supporting a government of literal murderous psychopaths who are simultaneously carrying out a genocide in Gaza and a violent incremental illegal land grab in the West Bank while also brazenly trying to provoke, and drag the US into, a war with Lebanon or Syria or Yemen or Iran. And why does she have to support all of that patent evil? Because if she doesn’t, AIPAC will spend millions and millions of dollars trying to destroy her, like they already destroyed Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush, for daring to have principles.

    And what’s the likely net result of that? To elect a Republican, which is to say, a member of the party of actual antisemites.

    They accuse Democrats of being antisemites merely for calling genocide genocide, and meanwhile, the actual antisemites - the people who comtinue to hold to the notion of Jews as evil, money-grubbing vermin who are conspiring to take over the world, are Republicans, even including Republicans in high office, like “Jewish space lasers” Marjorie Taylor Greene.

    Think about how insane that is - a politician has to publicly support a genocidal regime or face being called an antisemite and having an Israeli advocacy group spend millions and millions of dollars to destroy her and instead elect the candidate from the party of actual Jew-hating antisemites.

    And as if that isn’t enough, we have Jill Stein in the middle of it all, who, with zero chance of actually winning, is free to take the position that any rational person should take, and the position that the majority of the Democratic base takes - that genocide is genocide and is rightly condemned. And that then introduces the risk that she’ll draw off enough Democratic voters, merely by taking the position held by the majority, so the position that the Democratic candidate should take, that it will hand the election to the Republican - the candidate of the party of actual antisemites.

    The whole thing is bludgeoningly insane. I don’t think anyone could’ve created such a grotesquely dysfunctional and actuslly counter-productive system if they’d deliberately set out to do it.

    And yet that’s the world we live in - the world we’re forced to live in - a world warped by the literal insanity of a wealthy and powerful few.

    It boggles my mind.

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      Two words: Citizen’s United

      I mean, should money be speech, and thus campaign contributions protected by the first amendment? It’s kinda pants-on-head stupid, unless you want money to run things. Which some folks do, of course.

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      Good points. And I’m tired of it. So that’s why I vote for who I want to win, and not just the candidate of Reddit/Lemmy member’s opinions of who they want to win.

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    “She could have said, ‘I hear you, we’re going to address this, and if you want it to get better, elect me instead of Donald Trump,’” Zahr told NBC. “But instead she suggested we want to help get Trump elected … as if we owe her something and she doesn’t owe us.”

    This is the attitude of Dems. Vote for our candidate because if you don’t you’ll be sorry.

    To be clear, I’m voting for Harris because the threat of another orange shitbag presidency is too great to ignore, but I’ll do so irritated that I don’t really have a choice.

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      This is the attitude of Dems. Vote for our candidate because if you don’t you’ll be sorry.

      Yep. And the personal attacks I have gotten from posting this article here, have shown many Lemmy users to have the same attitude.

      In fact, Lemmy’s are so mad that I am voting Green, they have being going into my communities and downvoting everything I post, even if not political. They’re even voting down my posts supporting elementary teachers who teach Special Education students. I mean, if Lemmy users wanna spend their day doing downvoting every post I write, it’s fine, but it’s really weird to me and just makes me laugh. BUT it does make me feel kinda important! lol

      I totally respect and support your right to vote for Harris. But I just can’t, so that’s why I’m going Green.

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        It’s a binary choice, unfortunately. Splitting the vote is fun when the stakes aren’t so high, though.

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        Yeah apparently on Lemmy if you criticize Biden or Kamala you want trump to win. There’s no nuance of “hey maybe we should force a better choice than a genocide enabler who will stick to the status quo as it has been for the past 40 years and change nothing, or an orange more evil genocide enabler”

        Like I absolutely don’t want trump as a president. I also absolutely don’t want my taxes and money going to kill innocent people. These are not two contradictory viewpoints but people don’t seem to understand that. Hell, even Kamala doesn’t seem to understand that based on her rhetoric.

        I’m tired of the white house being concerned or disappointed by Israel. If your child concerned or disappointed you so much and didn’t change his or her behavior, you would put in some consequences. Otherwise you would be a shitty parent. That simple.

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          Whether or not it’s on Lemmy is irrelevant. If you’re going to pretend not to know the outcome of every election for 50+ years, don’t also pretend that only people on Lemmy are the only ones who do know.

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          Yeah apparently on Lemmy if you criticize Biden or Kamala you want trump to win.

          Right? I legit just responded to yet another poster who accused me of that! lolol

          Prepare for your downvotes, friend. We can be downvoted to oblivion together!! lol

          I’m tired of the white house being concerned or disappointed by Israel. If your child concerned or disappointed you so much and didn’t change his or her behavior, you would put in some consequences. Otherwise you would be a shitty parent. That simple.

          Great analogy! And yes, I agree.

          The MAGA cult of Democrats is becoming just as toxic as the MAGA cult of Republicans. As this thread proves. lol

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            No one believes you really think Jill “9/11 was an inside job” Stein could get even 5% of the vote. Everyone here knows you’re completely full of shit

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              I hope she gets 5% of the vote. Then this community can stop crying that she doesn’t matter. But hey guys, if she doesn’t matter, then why are you all so mad if I vote for her?! lol

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                5% would be a miracle and yet still isn’t nearly enough to justify helping Trump, hell even if it wasn’t someone as bad as trump I doubt it would be

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                  She’s not helping Trump though. She is running for president. She doesn’t like Trump.

                  I’m voting for her, not “against” anyone. I’m voting for who I want to win. And that person is Jill Stein.

                  I don’t care about the odds, or the Trump or whoever.

                  I’m voting for how I like. And the party I like. Which is the Green Party.

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        Lemmy is one of the most intense echo chambers out there. It’s very funny that a self-professed anti-hierarchical, decentralized message board site like this falls in line so neatly behind whatever candidates the corporate media tells them to and then browbeats anyone who dares to consider alternatives. Americans’ refusal to vote third party plays a big role in why the two major parties are so completely unresponsive to the public’s interests and desires. They won’t win, of course, thanks to FPTP, but voting for them pressures the two parties to change their platform to win over their voters.

        This is precisely why the corporate media is so invested in vilifying third party voters. Every election from now until the end of recorded history will be “the most important election ever” (or “the last election ever,” as they’ve been painting it recently) and anyone who refuses to vote for the lesser-of-two-evils candidate is a willful apostate who’s worse than a Trump voter. And the masses buy into it, and then it’s naked tribalism and hysteria from there.