• 0x815@feddit.org
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    28 days ago

    That’s a shame for Sweden. Unfortunately, we see similar things in many other countries, and not only regarding bears.

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      28 days ago

      You do know that (alpha) predator populations are self-regulating?

      More predators => less prey => fewer predators => more prey => more predators

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        28 days ago

        This is a fact that every hunter wants to ignore, yet that justification always comes up when [insert any animal] is killed.

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          27 days ago

          It’s very much a relevant fact, especially in areas where natural predators have been eradicated either through habitat loss, or intentional hunting before we had conservation efforts in place. A wildlife manager considers every variable before determining how many hunting licenses are issued for the good of the ecology. Every hunter understands the balance, and the factors that determine a unit’s carrying capacity, it’s part of the mandatory hunter safety course training.

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          27 days ago

          So starvation to control the population instead of hunting, got ya. What if the predators prey is plants? More predators => less plants => less predators => more plants?

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            27 days ago

            Not sure if you are serious here. The definition of predation is killing and eating other animals. An organism eating plants is prey and its population gets controlled by predation.

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              27 days ago

              My point here was for deer, deer in much of the US have no more natural predators. Hunters help fill that roll or else it’s disease, starvation, and cars that fill it.

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            27 days ago

            So starvation to control the population instead of hunting, got ya.

            A.K.A. The way nature works… for hundreds of millions of years? Yes. Exactly that.

            If the carrying capacity of an ecosystem can’t support more predators, you don’t get more predators. The balance that nature has perfected always seems to be disrupted by humans looking to “control the population”.

            What if the predators prey is plants? More predators => less plants => less predators => more plants?

            Again, a balance that simply works without us interfering. When animals (and plants) are left to their own devices, they thrive. The only time this doesn’t happen is when humans get in the way.

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              26 days ago

              Right, deer in the populated areas of north America have no preditors any more. So that population needs to be controlled. In the city and county i live in there are bow hunting programs in the parks since there aren’t many places you could hunt otherwise. If not disease and cars are what would control it. Thats led then ideal. Plus if you don’t want the meat there are programs to donate it to shelters.

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      27 days ago

      It’s our hillbilly population unfortunately. Since they got access to the internet they’ve been getting way dumber and started voting for the nazi party. Then there’s the Sami of course. They mostly roleplay as some kind of “Indigenous” population while actually just being responsible for wiping out most wildlife for the last millennia. They always throw a tantrum over not being allowed to kill off all predators so they can fill every single square meter of northern Sweden with raindeer.

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        27 days ago

        The Sami are absolutely indigenous to upper Sweden though.

        Sweden has done some pretty terrible stuff to them in the past.

        I have a feeling you are part of the group that votes for SD or as you call them “the nazi” party.

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          27 days ago

          except that most sami people these days are about as indigenous as an englishman with a welsh grandfather

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            27 days ago

            That seems like a good thing when the alternative is inbreeding since there are very few of them.