The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.

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    In Nevada, the Democratic Party initiated a lawsuit to exclude the Green Party from the ballot, claiming the party used the wrong form to collect signatures from voters. The Green Party appealed the case and was represented by Jay Sekulow, an attorney who defended Trump throughout his impeachment trials (last week, the Nevada Supreme Court rejected Stein’s bid to be put back on the ballot).

    In Wisconsin, Democratic National Committee employee David Strange sought to remove Stein from the ballot by arguing the Green Party can’t nominate presidential electors without legislative candidates eligible to do so. The Wisconsin Supreme Court declined to hear the case. Stein was again legally represented by a Trump-affiliated lawyer, Michael D. Dean, who was involved in lawsuits that attempted to overturn the results of the 2020 election, the Journal reported.

    From another article:

    The affidavit originally submitted with the Green Party’s petition in July 2023 was the correct one. However, because the petition that the Green Party submitted contained a separate mistake, an employee in the secretary of state’s office sent the party a sample petition that included the wrong affidavit – for use with petitions to put initiatives and referenda on the ballot. As a result, the affidavits that the Green Party later submitted with its petitions did not contain the attestation required for access to the ballot.

    The secretary of state eventually announced that the Green Party had submitted enough signatures to qualify for the 2024 general election ballot.

    The Nevada Democratic Party went to state court in June of this year, arguing that the signatures were invalid because the Green Party had used the wrong affidavit.

    On Aug. 12, the state trial court ruled in favor of the Green Party, but on Sept. 6 a divided Nevada Supreme Court reversed. It concluded that the attestation that the Green Party had failed to include “serves an essential purpose.” Therefore, the majority reasoned, allowing the Green Party to have its candidates on the ballot when it had not fulfilled all of the prerequisites to do so would nullify “the requirements that were put in place for the public’s benefit.”

    SCOTUS ruled with the Nevada Supreme Court and chose to keep the Green Party off the ballot. Their only real mistake here was really just some legal red tape filled out incorrectly. It doesn’t really matter if Jill Stein is a terrible candidate or not, the two party system will clearly go to the ends of the earth to kill 3rd parties from every becoming a thing lol. I guess it matters more for democrats since green party would be taking out more of their votes than republicans.

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      …I would argue that even insurrectionist is being far, far too lenient. They should be called terrorists. But, yeah, calling them “rioters”…barf.

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        you: le government is bad, crooked and corrupt. We must seize the means of production!

        also you: omg, those inshurexionists… they made the government poopy their pants and punched some cops (we love cops now) TERRORISTS!

        Is this even real?

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          I mean if you believe in democratic ownership of the economy then trying to undermine the democracy is basically treason.

          Reality though is we’re voting for one faction of elites and another, less competent but more brutal set of elites via an election that has the trappings of democracy. Stealing that is depriving the public of the tiny crumb of choice we have, which honestly should bring out the bloodlust against the Jan 6th people. Why take away our final bit of control?

          You’re basically making the argument “Its just a crumb of democracy, why bother?” but for most people in the US it is the last remaining crumb of control over our government and expecting people to surrender it entirely to elites is some insane shit.

          Elites here are generally the economic elites: Musk, Gates, Bezos, other corporate CEOs who would love nothing more than to take away the public’s final bit of influence over government.

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          Ahh yes, seizing the means of production by nullifying a democratic election. Look at what the longshoremen are doing on the East Coast, that is seizing the means comrade.

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          Nuance would be your friend, if you understood it. There’s a difference between a fascist uprising, a populist uprising, and a revolution. At this point the leftists understand that one can be far more effective online than in person, and they are killing you into a false sense of security. Marx is your friend, especially Groucho and Karl. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, and Adolf Eichmann are not.

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            Looking realistically at the situation, it was an ineffective riot by some clods. Knowing that and watching the politicos cower for once should bring joy to the heart of anyone who has had to deal with the system. I mean… unless you actually are a statist at heart. Then it was a great insult to the power structure.

            Whoever swallows the rrats and takes great offense literally outs themselves. I’m sure they’ll downvote away but fake internet points don’t take away the stench of being a phony.

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              Ahh, thanks for clearly stating where you align. I’m no statist, but just from your description, you’re clearly a statist apologist.

              Disregarding the fact that that particular insurrection was incited by a sitting president, those insurrectionists were and are unrepentant bigots that chose violence over the social contract. That you defend them in any aspect merely shows your own reliance on the status quo.

              Come back to me when you are actually willing to throw your own comfort aside, when the cops are around. I do so every single time I see a fucking pig.

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    I’m sure the usual suspects will be along shortly to explain how this isn’t what it absolutely, positively is.

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      Our biggest offender would, but they’re currently serving a 3-day ban for Sealioning (public mod logs are awesome).

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      “Anything to beat the ‘duopoly’ of political parties, even if the party is tainted by neo-fascist dark money!”

      Absolutely wild mental gymnastics lol

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      Probably at the stage where it turns into ‘it doesn’t matter since she won’t win anyway, this is just a protest vote to show support for third party.’

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            If you actively go to the polls and while you’re there – instead of voting for Kamala Harris, the only viable candidate against Trump’s pro-Russia fascism – you choose to vote for a Russia-planted spoiler candidate and you live in a state that’s not safe red or safe blue, then yes, you are pro-Putin’s regime, and you unequivocally suck ass as a person.

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              If you go cast your vote at the polls and you’re so braindead that you can’t fathom another third-party candidate is running without being a Russian agent in disguise, and you’re so scared that your candidate that you’ve convinced yourself is a perfect deity still might lose to a lunatic, then maybe you should re-evaluate why it is that people no longer trust Democrats blindly like you think they should.

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            Let he who hasn’t dined at the same table as Putin cast the first stone.

            What do you mean that’s everyone but Jill?

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                Quoting verbatim from a previous comment of mine because it’s literally not worth my time to come up with something original to the same exact stupid, worthless argument:

                Third-party fringe candidate who gets less than 1% of the vote having dinner with Putin, Trump’s national security advisor who was later arrested for lying to the FBI about his ties to Russia, and several major Russian political figures before an election in which Russian interference provably helped Trump win.

                The US president acting in an official capacity and meeting with the leader of a major world power.

                “They’re the same picture.”

                Boy, Russian bots Jill Stein stans are really tripping over each other to see who’s the biggest, dumbest idiot, aren’t they?

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                  You mean the same investigation that found no evidence that Jill Stein was working with Russia? Let me guess, in your mind she’s so deep and undercover that it is more about a feeling than needing any evidence at all.

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                  Almost as convincing as you calling a US citizen in Washington state a Chinese Government agent. Maybe if you want to be taken seriously in the future, actually provide some facts or say something productive.

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            Leftists: The Green Parry isn’t a throwaway vote at all! Here’s my 40 paragraph manifesto that explains it all with YouTube links and op-ed opinion pieces to validate the proof!

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    With all this stuff about Jill coming out, it’s no wonder all the Lemmy.ml and Hexbears are so supportive of her. She’s a Russian asset!

    What is the Russian word for Wumao?

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      It could just be she made a career out of unsucessfully running for president and doesn’t care where the money came from.

      That’s supposedly how the whole Trump mess started.

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        You mean him just wanting to make money by running for president never actually expecting to run and regretting every minute of it while trying to be so vile he could never get elected again only to realize that’s what his base wants?

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      Are you confusing the Green candidate, Jill Stein with Claudia De la Cruz, the PSL candidate?

      She does deserve praise for taking the correct stance regarding Gaza, but the general consensus of the Greens as a whole is that they’re useless because unlike PSL, they don’t organize between elections.

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      I’m not saying she’s not a Russian asset, anyone could be including the people spreading this rumor with no supporting evidence. It’s become a joke online that Democrats will now call anyone they disagree with a Russian asset.

      For some reason, on one hand Democrats will claim that peace negotiations between Israel & Palestine are a good thing, but how dare she say that peace negotiations between Ukraine & Russia are important too.

      Jill Stein has called Putin a war criminal while Kamala campaigns with a war criminal (Dick Cheney).

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        When did “Dick” Cheney campaign for Harris? He said he was voting for her rather than the felon. That’s it. Liz Cheney is the one who spoke at a Harris campaign, not her father.

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          He didn’t. And Stein refused to say Putin is a war criminal. John Richard is in here lying through his teeth.

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            Yeah, you’re wrong and spreading misinformation like the average cultist.

            https://www.instagram.com/drjillstein/p/DAHhwbTSG2p/

            There are multiple articles showcasing where she has, but what you won’t find is a single article of Genocide Joe or Kamala calling Netanyahu a war criminal. They’re saying… You did such a good job killing all those women and children Netanyahu, here is a $8.7 billion dollar thank you check.

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              Genocide Joe

              Where have I seen this playground terminology before? Not that I want to support Biden’s policy on Israel in any way, it’s despicable, but a Stein apologist using Trump’s own puerile rhetoric raises an eyebrow.

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                Not that I want to support Biden’s policy on Israel in any way, it’s despicable

                So then don’t do it. Don’t lie for Joe & Kamala by attacking anyone who says something negative, even when true.

                Kamala has some good qualities in addition to her bad statements on the Palestine & the Middle East situation. The only way Democrats will change their bad qualities is if people stop sugarcoating the truth for them.

                Calling people Russian agents that call out the cultist & attack dogs for Democrats does nothing to help them or the party. It only makes you and them seem as fanatical & unhinged as Republicans calling every Democrat a commie.

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                Are you suggesting Trump would ever attack Biden for facilitating a genocide in Gaza? They agree on that policy!

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        Lol your defense of her is “anyone could be a Russian asset!” is like a textbook denial list. What’s the next stage?

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          The next stage is for you to call me a Russian agent for saying something you don’t like. Textbook denialism would be you presenting facts showing she is loyal to Russia, or working intentionally on their behalf, and then me denying it. Thus far your “evidence” is a Salon article with a headline that doesn’t even represent the story and makes baseless accusations.

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            Nah you’re just a lier, that’s all.
            I didn’t realize I presented evidence of anything, but ok.

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              You haven’t. That’s my point is that the blue MAGA cultists here are claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it. They’re mad that facts don’t support their feelings.

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                claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it.

                Everyone in this photo works for Putin and were there at the behest of Putin. Two Americans are in this photo. One was put in jail for a while because they lied about working for foreign actors, least of which is Russia. I’ll leave it to you to see who the other one is.

                All this evidence of Stein actively using GOP (and thus Russia) aligned assets/money and refusing to denounce Russia in any capacity until forced, only further drives nails in the coffin.

                Take a hike.

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                  LOL… you got your 4chan QANON proof right there. A photo with little arrows without any facts or evidence that Jill Stein works for Putin. Jill Stein called Putin a war criminal. It’s really rich that you demand politicians call out war criminals, but you’re not demanding that Biden or Harris call Netanyahu a war criminal. You know who else Russia helped? Bernie Sanders. According to your logic, if Russia helped Bernie Sander’s campaign then he must be a Russian agent.

                  You know there is this thing called talks with world leaders on a global stage as a politician, and this picture is nothing more than you desperately trying to paint a narrative without any supporting facts. You don’t even attempt to provide facts, but instead hope that most users will be a desperate as you are to ignore them thinking it will somehow make Trump lose.

                  Just like the lap dogs that were here after the debate between Biden & Trump saying Biden did amazing and sounded sharp as a tack. Need I remind you, Biden was losing to Trump at that time in the polls by over 4 points and was on pace to cause Democrats to lose the House & Senate. Your way of helping almost cost Democrats chances of winning in 2024.

                  Oh, here’s a picture for you BTW that using your logic shows that Biden works for Putin.

                  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Putin_in_Switzerland_2021_10.jpg/1280px-Putin_in_Switzerland_2021_10.jpg

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        Is it any different than a socialist that accuses anyone that disagrees with them of being a genocide supporter?

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        Do you get paid by the word or paid by the post? If it’s by the post, you should bother with all the nonsense.

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          I don’t really know how to respond to that since you put “dick” in lowercase. If you want to conflate campaign with, with tour with, then by all means go read a dictionary. But if you want to see videos of Harris praising Dick Cheney, thanking him for his support & his service to this country, claiming, that he represents a “healthy” two-party system, then I can send you videos of the campaign events where she’s touring around with his daughter while she makes those statements.

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              No, if you can’t read a dictionary there is nothing I can say to convince you that water is wet.

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                Nothing you can say can hurt me lol. Just resorting to personal attack means I already won. Thank you goodbye

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              Cheney endorses Kamala… starts speaking out against Trump, and Kamala starts praising Dick Cheney saying he’s one of the good ones and then goes on tour with Liz Cheney his daughter who has never renounced her father’s war crimes. Yeah, okay… totally, that is normal to have a war criminal endorse you and then boast about it and praise them afterwards.

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                Uh huh, anyways. Let’s see those campaign photos or videos of Dick Chaney with Harris.
                We’ll wait.

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                  Again, pick up a dictionary. Campaigning together doesn’t mean that they have to be seen together. It can be Dick Cheney doing public interviews saying how he’s voting for Harris, while Harris is praising him saying:

                  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7S-Sk2TbdjE

                  And that she’s honored to have their endorsement:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVoSdUHw5I

                  My favorite is the lady standing behind her while she calls Dick Cheney a leader who is well respected with wide eyes like “Kamala, why are you so stupid to say that and do it in front of me?!?”

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              Do you often make arguments up in your own head so you can feel like you won?

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                I don’t. But you sure do lol.

                Kamala campaigns with a war criminal (Dick Cheney).

                When pressed you people turn Dick into his daughter. It’s pretty entertaining watching you flail around so much. Please , go on.
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                  So you never actually read any responses and just went with whatever narrative fit your world view? Seems sad. Anyway Google Harris dick Cheney and pick your favorite propaganda outlet, even Fox says it’s real and a step towards biaprtisanship that hurts trump somehow

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          Honestly, I think the mods should be promoted to sainthood for the level of patience they’ve shown with Monk (who as of late runs what seems to be a community related to MGTOW but without the toxicity called MRTOW) which is so beyond what I feel I’m capable of. I hope Monk appreciates the level of leeway they’ve been given here.

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            Is this MRTOW/MGTOW just mask-off incel shit? I think it would fine to ban that level of toxicity permanently.

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            I’m honestly not sure if sainthood is the way I’d put it. It feels negligent to me. But in fairness I’d love to hear the mods perspective on what they consider the threshold for trolling. It almost feels like it’s a secondary offense here. Like they won’t ban you for trolling, it’s got to be trolling aaaand [pejoratives|hate speech|etc].

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    Did nobody here read the article?

    A spokesperson for Stein said she was unaware of Pool’s reported connection to Jan. 6; a lawyer for Pool insisted his client was filming a documentary, not taking part in the attack.

    Just because you’re somewhere people are doing bad things doesn’t mean you’re in support of it, especially if you’re filming them doing bad things…

    The real story here is that she had to pay any law firm at all to fight against the Democratic party to get on the ballot, because the Democratic party is suing to undermine democracy.

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      Riiiight. She was totally unaware of it. Because Russian shills are notorious for being honest about their deceit.

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          Oh I read it. I think she’s full of shit like she has been the entire time.

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                They keep referencing what Jill said, which tells me they didn’t read it. I didn’t say anything about what Jill said. I referenced the fact that they were making a documentary about the event. And they literally condemned it as an “attack”. Insurrectionists defend the insurrection

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                  She’s a Russian shill. That’s what the article says. I fail to see why you’re here defending it still.

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    Democrats litigate to deny a candidate ballot access, candidate hires non-democrat lawyer to defend herself and democracy.

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      Probably quite a few “non-democrat” lawyers that didn’t storm congress. Weird how she chose one who did and that wasn’t a dealbreaker for her. 🤔

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        Oh yeah you knew all about this firm and all of its members activities before this story. Theres just so many ballot access consultancy firms specifically fighting against democrats efforts to obstruct democracy.

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      You’re kidding, right? Right now, the front page consists of whatever stupid shit Trump has done recently, downvoted crap pushing Putin’s favorite “anti-war leftist candidate,” and positive news about Kamala Harris and her campaign.

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        What positive news about Harris? All I’ve seen is her make statements assuring the population that she’s right of center

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      Seriously? I’m actually growing sick of all the positive posts I see about her. I feel like the support is overwhelmingly positive and extensive on here to the point where some people lose touch with reality.

      However, I see you are from a different instance, so it’s entirely possible that we are not seeing the same feed. Cannot see what you are seeing from where I’m standing.