• Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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    3 hours ago

    You can get the Nazi Party out of Germany but you can never get the Nazism out of the hearts of the kind of German who seeks power.

    Hm, this, but for absolutely every nation on Earth ever, even the tiniest ones, the opposed ones, the ones oppressing others, etc etc.

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      2 hours ago

      That’s partly true.

      Whilst indeed sociopathic assholes are everywhere, the difference in what they end up doing is down to the culture of what’s acceptable or unnacceptable and of what is done about the latter in a society.

      Judging by what’s been done again and again in Germany from even before the start of this latest stage of the Israeli Genocide, the whole seeing of people as mainly members of an ethnicities and discriminating for or against them depending of ethnicity is very much culturally acceptable in Germany, as is the idea that it’s more important to forcefully control dissent against the acting on that Racism than it is to respect Democracy.

      Sadly the Israeli Genocide has brough into focus just how entrenched the viewing of people through the filter of racial prejudiced and the authoritarian thinking still are there (granted, more the former than the latter), especially compared with Democratic nations with less history of such things: Germany is ending in the wrong side of a Holocaust once again because the lesson culturally learned from the last one was not the Humanist “This should never be allowed to happen again” but instead it was “Germans should never do this again to Jews”, a version that strictly assigns victim status and hence deserving of protection on the basis of the ethnicity a person was born into, unconditionally and with no limit placing people into the “deserving of special treatment” category those born in the right ethnicity, as if all Jews were all the same and hence equaly victims and deserving of special treatment, and all non-Jews were the same and equally not victims and not deserving of that treatment. The Racism of this is further confirmed by how the Roma people (commonly known as Gypsies) who were equality targetted by the Nazis, do not receive the same treatment.

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        1 hour ago

        Yes, it is known.

        Can you name examples of countries without such history & persistent influences through generations?

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          I’ll give you an interesting example of how a similar Past get reflected differently in different countries.

          Germany is one of the few countries in Europe were if you buy a SIM card for your phone (pay as you go, so without a contract) you are obligated by Law to present your identification and it all gets recorded.

          Now, remember, Germany had not one but TWO secret polices, the last one (the Stasi, in East Germany only) having been not long ago and being well known for their wiretapping of phones.

          Meanwhile my own native Portugal also had a dictatorship about half a century ago, as did next door Spain, and in these countries (and I expect in other similar ones such as Greece and most of Eastern Europe, but I can’t say for sure) there would be a veritable outcry if any politician merely suggested mandatory registration on purchasing of a card for your phone or in fact any other such measure with even the mere whiff of being only useful for surveillance. Portugal even has quite strong banking secrecy laws compared to the rest of Europe and a Judicial System with lots of levels of checks and counter-checks (which, unfortunately, makes it quite slow) in reaction to the lack of Due Process of the Fascist dictatorship.

          The Portuguese were the ones who kicked out the Fascists, whilst in Germany foreigners were the ones who kicked out the Fascists (and the fall of Communism was the consequence of events far away from East Germany) so maybe that’s what dictates just how much and how deep the rejection of the ideas of the old dictatorship will go in a country which was once Authoritarian.