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They just need to sever the ADL’s ties to Israel. It’s hard for me to believe it’s a NY organization when they parrot Netanyahu’s words and sound nothing like the voices of every Jewish New Yorker I’ve met.
They’re just a mouthpiece of the likud party and have been for a while now.
fuck the ADL. all my homies hate the ADL. SPLC does more to speak on the jewish identity than the ADL. the ADL once served a valuable purpose, but at this point it has been fully captured by radical nationalists who don’t think jews can live alongside anyone else. there’s a word for that, and i can nazi myself remembering what it is
“Us guys” do not universally support the ADL.
Just like we do not universally support Israel.
Can you guys stop deciding what every Jew supports? I’m getting really fucking tired of both telling people that you’re wrong and being told I’m the wrong one back because of my genetics.
You may be a leader and you may be Jewish, but I interpreted that comment to specifically mean the people in power who maintain this connection. That is, “you guys” sounds like an appeal to the Jewish leaders referenced in the article, the US leaders that support the ADL, or both.
I might be wrong, I don’t know OP or what they truly believe. If there is context I’m missing that changes the message, I will stand corrected.
I never suggested I was a leader, but even plenty of Jews in leadership positions of Jewish organizations do not support the ADL. We can start with Jewish Voice for Peace.
Notice how the state of Israel has nothing to say about this?
Nothing to say? The ADL defended Elon!
Holy shit. The Zionist part of the organisation has completely eaten the anti-hate part.
This is going on in lots of places as well too.
That (nazi salute) isn’t antisemitic at all!
For fuck sake.
My point was that while Independent Jewish leaders are calling for the boycott. The State of Israel on the other hand, is holding hands up with Trump like a tag team.
Pretty sure that was his point too
I’m pretty sure they understood your point… not sure you got theirs.
you want to just spell it out for me so I dont have to guess at what’s being insenuated and cause more pointless back and forth argument comments?
His post was emulating the excuse people use when they are trying to deflect away from something obviously bad. The state of Israel will refuse to say that what Elon did was antisemitic or an actual Nazi salute. They will talk around the subject and say it wasn’t ACTUALLY the Nazi salute, just him being exuberant in the moment. Or they will point out that the salute was around in Roman times and isn’t actually an antisemitic salute even though Hitler used it, just like people will point out that the swastika is an ancient symbol from Hinduism so it also isn’t antisemitic.
He was agreeing with you, basically.
You’re right, it isn’t!
Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. In fact, I’m pretty sure it is in direct OPPOSITION to Judaism, if you follow the fundamentals.
For a religion this old, you will find a lot of people with different ideas about the “fundamentals”. There is a lot of Jewish scholars that reject Zionism and in particular in the beginning of the Zionist movement it was strongly opposed by religious scholars. They had to work quite extensively to create a “new understanding” of how to mix Zionism with Judaism, which over the time led to there now being particularly extreme Zionists, who claim to base it off of Judaism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#Early_Jewish_anti-Zionism
Help me understand your point, pls. I wasn’t talking about zionism nor judaism. Plain nazism. Which killed millions of jews, equalling antisemitism. Especially nowadays when any statement is lightly attributed to antisemitism, a nazi salute could qualify as?
That’s because Isreal has been slowly co-opted by xenophobic right wing extramists under the guise of survival.
Always has been. Pre WW2 socialist Jewish currents pretty much all unanimously opposed Zionism.
I know a good boycott to the oligarchs
Fun fact: “petit ami / petite amie” means “boyfriend / girlfriend”
Even more fun fact: the masculine is gender neutral, so it also means just “friend”.
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I saw an uwu guilotine picture the other day and now can’t find it, fits pretty well for the “petit ami” aspect.
Here ya go.
Thanks you’re doing uwu work.
I find it very on brand for these guys to simultaneously piss off Jewish people and Palestinians within just a couple weeks.
the thing with israel is that it’s an anti-semitic state. zionism is an anti-semitic stance. also palestinians are also semitic. it’s just… all so dumb
And evangelicals want all the Jews in the world forcibly exiled to Israel because they think that’s the only way Jesus will return.
And those motherfuckers better have zip ties and guns if they expect me to put a molecule of my body across the Israeli border.
So, a real group of Jewish Leaders rather than a Zionist sockpuppet like the ADL.
Nazi salutes. He did it twice.
Hey, at least they called it “Nazi” and not something wishy-washy like “awkward”, “problematic”, or “Elon Musk salute”.
The salute is just a symbol of much larger antisemitic moves by Elon. It’s not hard to find neo Nazis posting swastikas and the like on X and many Jewish users have indicated that reporting those images goes nowhere despite them being specifically enumerated as banned in the official terms of use. There’s plenty of evidence out there that Elon is in fact a far right racist if not outright Nazi.
A rich white guy from South Africa might be a nazi? I hardly believe it!
White nationalists are just the same as white supremacists. If there are Jewish people who think Christian Nationalism will protect them, they’re forgetting that Nazis were and are very Christian.
Authoritarian leaders turn on their own people and supporters all the time, this has been proven time and again in history. Whatever America is now though, there is still hope in the judiciary and the constitution.
they’re forgetting that Nazis were and are very Christian.
They’re forgetting about “Group 13” as well.
Well they should’ve thought about that before the elections. It’s now unwise to antagonize an all powerful dictator.
Even though his scapegoat isn’t the Jewish people, I don’t think it’s impossible they’d still add you to the list later on.
In what let’s call the Jewish diaspora there is a strong thread of fascism. The fascists currently (and for some time now) are in control of the israeli government. If the israeli people were not in support of such fascism they are doing a poor job of expressing it. Globally fascism among jews is not universal, probably not even a majority though I have no hard data here. Anecdotally among the Jewish people I know there is one rabidly fascist of the kill all the Palestinians ilk, a few who claim not to support genocide but will get loud and in your face at any criticism of it and many who are disgusted by it and will openly say so. Your mileage may vary.
I think it’s fair to say that when people are facing an existential threat they find it hard to criticize that which protects them. People should just be anti-genocide because leaders cannot be trusted all the time. But what are the chances that the Muslim citizens in Arab countries would protest if a genocide happens to their perceived enemies? Sometimes the best defense people have against authoritarianism is empathy, don’t let something happen to someone else that you don’t want happening to you.
Edit downvotes explain yourself? I am just being brigaded by extremists on every post.
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They should have probably boycotted him at the polls, instead of voting for him.
What are the Holocaust Jokes referenced in the title? Didn’t find an explanation in the article.
For context, I’m a German missing out on many news and stories, for sanity reasons. But I’d like to know more about this.
Elon’s response to the world saying they saw a Nazi salute at the presidential inauguration. Not quite an “oops, I didn’t mean it that way”
The fact that 152 thousand people hearted that post is so disheartening.
Wanna take bets on how many of them are bots, and Elon’s personal alt accounts just heart it himself?
He’s a billionaire, he has nothing that he has to do.
Elon’s response to the world saying they saw a Nazi salute at the presidential inauguration. Not quite an “oops, I didn’t mean it that way”
Oh, WOW! Glad I asked. Will happily add this to a conversation with a ‘skeptical’ friend.
Honestly, I found some genuinely funny and actually laughed. But I would never share stuff like that in public, if at all, certainly not in a position like Musk, especially not after that salute. Guess he’s testing the waters or normalizing.
Anyways, thanks a lot for the info with screenshot! Once more, reality trumps satire. When asking the question, I thought it might be about some hints here and there requiring interpretation. I did not expect something so blatant.
yeah, I think context really matters here. He also made these jokes on Jan 23, the day that Auschwitz was liberated, and is held as a day of remembrance. He’s got a dog train whistle.
Wasn’t it also Martin Luther King Jr Day?
I think they should fund Jewish folks getting guns, ammo, and training. Oh, and moving vans and arranging for shelter in Blue States. Musk wants your lives and to add what smidgen of wealth you have to his hoard.
Pot, kettle.
Oh look, yet another person who thinks that Jews genetically support genocide in Gaza.
Because it’s really fucking obvious from multiple responses in this thread that saying, “I do not support Israel or its genocide and never have” is not good enough. Not when you have the genocide gene.
But do you condemn hamas?
/s
What? But Jewish people love being nazis! Just look at Gaza!
The majority of Israelis (and all the American Zionists) who approve of the genocide do not speak for the Jewish people
Most of the American Zionists aren’t even Jewish.
Many of them expect to laugh at all the Jews thrown into hell for not accepting Jesus after they’re all forced to return to Israel so that Jesus can return.
Do not fucking speak on my behalf.
do not let the loudest people from a group convince you they represent that group. they don’t.
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